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Complete Science Data Of Galileo Probe Mission?
Dominik
post Sep 8 2005, 07:56 AM
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Hello there.

I've got a question about the science data of the galileo probe mission (Plunge into jupiters atmosphere).

Is it possible to download the complete dataset of the mission? If yes, where can I find those data? I've tried to find them with google, but I found nothing. sad.gif

Thx for help...

(Sorry for my bad english. I don't use it so often, because I'm from germany wink.gif)


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djellison
post Sep 8 2005, 01:02 PM
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Feasable perhaps, but fairly pointless I'd have thought. You know that bit on a plane flight when you're going thru the clouds and you cant see the end of the wing..... smile.gif

That - plus the bandwidth from probe-to-orbiter was fairly poor I'd imagine, much like Huygens was.

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post Sep 8 2005, 03:04 PM
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QUOTE (djellison @ Sep 8 2005, 02:02 PM)
...the bandwidth from probe-to-orbiter was fairly poor I'd imagine, much like Huygens was.
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3.8 Megabit of data was collected. Mostly scientific data from jupiters atmosphere. But I've seen some pictures from the galileo probe mission on TV some years ago. Those pictures were from the cloud structures (Below cloud top). They looked like radar pictures, but the probe did not have a radar. blink.gif

Thanks for the link djellison. That is, what I was searching for.


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post Sep 8 2005, 04:44 PM
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QUOTE (Dominik @ Sep 8 2005, 08:04 AM)
3.8 Megabit of data was collected. Mostly scientific data from jupiters atmosphere. But I've seen some pictures from the galileo probe mission on TV some years ago. Those pictures were from the cloud structures (Below cloud top). They looked like radar pictures, but the probe did not have a radar.  blink.gif

Thanks for the link djellison. That is, what I was searching for.
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The subcloud "pictures" I think you are referring to were reconstructed images based on models made from the Galileo *Orbiter*. Images made in different methane bands bring out detail from different depths. Those "visualizations" assumed that the clouds form three discrete thin sheets with clear air between them. Then they were colored. You can see lots of them here:

http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/galileo/sepo/atju...s/latitude.html

A descent probe into Jupiter has such limited bandwidth opportunity, and such limited payload mass, with such uncertain prospects for seeing *anything* that it is hard to rationalize a camera. The Galileo Probe instrument payload was about 25 kg or a bit more than that. Huygens's camera was 8.5 kg -- what third of Galileo's payload would you have gotten rid of to get what might be one or two totally featureless pictures, and even in a good case might have looked like BW pictures of terrestrial cumulus clouds?
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post Sep 8 2005, 05:18 PM
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A descent probe into Jupiter has such limited bandwidth opportunity, and such limited payload mass, with such uncertain prospects for seeing *anything* that it is hard to rationalize a camera. The Galileo Probe instrument payload was about 25 kg or a bit more than that. Huygens's camera was 8.5 kg -- what third of Galileo's payload would you have gotten rid of to get what might be one or two totally featureless pictures, and even in a good case might have looked like BW pictures of terrestrial cumulus clouds?

Well, future probes may well have better data bandwidth than what you are used to. I don't see uncertainty about what a camera would see as good reason to assume a camera isn't desirable.

this may be apocrophal but I recall in my USGS days hearing talk about a debate on whether the Pioneer F abd G spacecraft should have any imaging capability at all, after all, what could possibly be interesting about cloud tops? As it was the imaging Photopolerimeter was a cheap crappy substitute for a camera which was better than nothing, but outclassed by the real cameras the Voyagerws later carried.

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post Sep 8 2005, 07:13 PM
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QUOTE (DDAVIS @ Sep 8 2005, 12:18 PM)
this may be apocrophal but I recall in my USGS days hearing talk about a debate on whether the Pioneer F abd G spacecraft should have any imaging capability at all, after all, what could possibly be interesting about cloud tops? As it was the imaging Photopolerimeter was a cheap crappy substitute for a camera which was better than nothing, but outclassed by the real cameras the Voyagerws later carried.

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They also assumed the Mercury astronauts wouldn't want to look out a window of their spacecraft, either.

Nothing sells space exploration like optical images.

As for a camera on an Jupiter atmosphere probe, how about an infrared one for cutting through the haze and clouds?


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post Sep 8 2005, 07:39 PM
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QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Sep 8 2005, 03:13 PM)
As for a camera on an Jupiter atmosphere probe, how about an infrared one for cutting through the haze and clouds?
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But then what would there be to look at? huh.gif
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- Dominik   Complete Science Data Of Galileo Probe Mission?   Sep 8 2005, 07:56 AM
- - DDAVIS   [quote=Dominik,Sep 8 2005, 07:56 AM] Hello there. ...   Sep 8 2005, 11:20 AM
- - djellison   I was actually thinking, when looking at a chart t...   Sep 8 2005, 11:29 AM
|- - ljk4-1   Budgets and all the technicals problems Galileo ha...   Sep 8 2005, 12:58 PM
- - djellison   Feasable perhaps, but fairly pointless I'd hav...   Sep 8 2005, 01:02 PM
|- - Dominik   QUOTE (djellison @ Sep 8 2005, 02:02 PM)...th...   Sep 8 2005, 03:04 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (Dominik @ Sep 8 2005, 08:04 AM)3.8 Meg...   Sep 8 2005, 04:44 PM
|- - Dominik   QUOTE (JRehling @ Sep 8 2005, 05:44 PM)Those ...   Sep 8 2005, 05:10 PM
|- - DDAVIS   A descent probe into Jupiter has such limited band...   Sep 8 2005, 05:18 PM
|- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (DDAVIS @ Sep 8 2005, 12:18 PM)this may...   Sep 8 2005, 07:13 PM
||- - um3k   QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Sep 8 2005, 03:13 PM)As ...   Sep 8 2005, 07:39 PM
||- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (um3k @ Sep 8 2005, 02:39 PM)But then w...   Sep 8 2005, 07:45 PM
||- - mike   QUOTE (um3k @ Sep 8 2005, 11:39 AM)But then w...   Sep 8 2005, 10:06 PM
||- - JRehling   QUOTE (mike @ Sep 8 2005, 03:06 PM)Who knows....   Sep 8 2005, 11:22 PM
||- - mike   QUOTE (JRehling @ Sep 8 2005, 03:22 PM)It is ...   Sep 9 2005, 05:14 PM
||- - JRehling   QUOTE (mike @ Sep 9 2005, 10:14 AM)That doesn...   Sep 9 2005, 06:45 PM
|||- - David   QUOTE (JRehling @ Sep 9 2005, 06:45 PM)You ca...   Sep 9 2005, 10:05 PM
||||- - JRehling   QUOTE (David @ Sep 9 2005, 03:05 PM)And given...   Sep 9 2005, 10:20 PM
|||- - tty   QUOTE (JRehling @ Sep 9 2005, 08:45 PM)I woul...   Sep 23 2005, 06:09 PM
|||- - Decepticon   QUOTE (tty @ Sep 23 2005, 02:09 PM)A hydrogen...   Sep 23 2005, 10:41 PM
|||- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (Decepticon @ Sep 23 2005, 11:41 PM)As ...   Sep 23 2005, 10:50 PM
||- - DDAVIS   I'd personally like to see a camera-equipped p...   Sep 9 2005, 08:35 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (DDAVIS @ Sep 8 2005, 10:18 AM)  W...   Sep 8 2005, 11:15 PM
- - djellison   Wow - 3.8 megabits over a couple of hours - that...   Sep 8 2005, 03:09 PM
|- - Dominik   I think, that a camera would have been crushed by ...   Sep 8 2005, 04:30 PM
|- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (Dominik @ Sep 8 2005, 11:30 AM)I think...   Sep 8 2005, 04:34 PM
||- - ElkGroveDan   QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Sep 8 2005, 04:34 PM)So ...   Sep 8 2005, 05:28 PM
|- - DDAVIS   [quote=Dominik,Sep 8 2005, 04:30 PM] I think, that...   Sep 8 2005, 04:42 PM
- - Sunspot   There were also problems with the Galileo orbiter ...   Sep 8 2005, 11:41 PM
|- - Dominik   QUOTE (Sunspot @ Sep 9 2005, 12:41 AM)There w...   Sep 9 2005, 05:23 AM
- - edstrick   "Bandwidth ought to follow Moore's Law, a...   Sep 9 2005, 07:59 AM
- - mike   I think we, or something we create, will eventuall...   Sep 9 2005, 07:34 PM
- - mike   Striking. Jupiter is so huge I'm not sure I c...   Sep 9 2005, 09:47 PM
- - pioneer   Although having a camera on the probe would have b...   Sep 23 2005, 04:07 PM
- - edstrick   For imaging from a Jupiter descent probe, you woul...   Sep 24 2005, 07:14 AM
- - bkellysky   Did anyone put together an animation of the data f...   Jan 16 2018, 02:54 AM
|- - JRehling   The Galileo Probe took no images, so it doesn...   Jan 16 2018, 04:01 PM
|- - bkellysky   Thank you, JRehling, for the note. I know the Gali...   Jan 16 2018, 04:35 PM
|- - JRehling   That sounds like a great way to experience it, Bob...   Jan 16 2018, 08:38 PM
- - djellison   Well - the data is all here : http://pds-atmospher...   Jan 16 2018, 06:15 PM
- - bkellysky   Thanks for the directions- I'll check it out. ...   Jan 16 2018, 10:29 PM


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