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post Sep 24 2006, 12:19 PM
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I propose that NASA send a new probe to be named Venus-Express Express. It's mission is to go to Venus and check on what Venus Express is doing, and see if it is even still there.
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post Sep 25 2006, 12:33 PM
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Personally I think the difference is that ESA is embedded in the comfortable burocracy of the European Union. They simply do not have to care about public opinion -- it has less connection to their funding. NASA has a much larger budget, and it has to answer to congress for that money every year. It is not a foregone conclusion that they will keep getting it.

Also space programs are instruments for building national identity, and pan-European nationalism is still a work in progress. As such the ESA is probably considered important in Brussels.

As for academic psychology, I think that is a constant world-wide.
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post Sep 26 2006, 09:26 AM
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Personally I think the difference is that ESA is embedded in the comfortable burocracy of the European Union. They simply do not have to care about public opinion -- it has less connection to their funding. NASA has a much larger budget, and it has to answer to congress for that money every year. It is not a foregone conclusion that they will keep getting it.

Also space programs are instruments for building national identity, and pan-European nationalism is still a work in progress. As such the ESA is probably considered important in Brussels.


I think your general sentiments are correct, but remember that ESA and the EU are not one and the same. Clearly there's a big overlap in membership, but there are several countries that are members of one body and not of the other (e.g. Norway).

I wouldn't go so far as saying that ESA don't have to care about public opinion; they clearly benefit funding-wise in the long-term from high-profile, successful missions that the general public have heard about. As you implied, there's an extra layer separating ESA from the taxpayers compared to the US though, which insulates them to a certain degree.

The national funding agencies of the ESA member states do a lot of the publicity themselves, highlighting their separate contributions to various missions. The degree to which these agencies do that varies considerably. PPARC in the UK, for example, regard a commitment to public communication of the work they're funding as very important in awarding grants to e.g., university research groups. In some other countries, there is no such official requirement for results to be reported to the general public.

As the body responsible for entire missions, and hence the release of relevant data, I agree that ESA could be doing much more, and would benefit in the long-term from doing so. Maybe things would change if individual member states were to specifically require in return for their funding support some regular, fairly high-profile public updates from ESA on missions' progress, together with timely (though not premature) data releases.
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- DonPMitchell   Venus-Express Express   Sep 24 2006, 12:19 PM
- - RNeuhaus   QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ Sep 24 2006, 07:19 ...   Sep 24 2006, 01:22 PM
|- - paxdan   *whoosh* head   Sep 24 2006, 01:36 PM
|- - ugordan   QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Sep 24 2006, 02:22 PM) ...   Sep 24 2006, 02:34 PM
|- - helvick   QUOTE (ugordan @ Sep 24 2006, 03:34 PM) I...   Sep 24 2006, 03:57 PM
|- - RNeuhaus   QUOTE (ugordan @ Sep 24 2006, 09:34 AM) I...   Sep 25 2006, 02:05 PM
- - djellison   I totally agree and am utterly disgusted by the si...   Sep 24 2006, 06:01 PM
|- - JRehling   [...]   Sep 25 2006, 12:00 PM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (djellison @ Sep 24 2006, 08:01 AM)...   Sep 25 2006, 06:10 PM
- - DonPMitchell   Personally I think the difference is that ESA is e...   Sep 25 2006, 12:33 PM
|- - ynyralmaen   QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ Sep 25 2006, 02:33 ...   Sep 26 2006, 09:26 AM
- - nprev   Come to that, it's far too easy to forget that...   Sep 26 2006, 01:48 AM
|- - dilo   QUOTE (nprev @ Sep 26 2006, 01:48 AM) Com...   Sep 26 2006, 06:01 AM
- - djellison   Perhaps they could 'do an MGS' and image M...   Sep 26 2006, 07:08 AM
|- - Jeff7   QUOTE (djellison @ Sep 26 2006, 03:08 AM)...   Sep 26 2006, 02:18 PM
- - AlexBlackwell   Maybe this is one reason why the VEx team has been...   Oct 4 2006, 04:40 PM
- - AlexBlackwell   Doug's latest glog entry has a familiar title.   Oct 4 2006, 05:07 PM
|- - JRehling   [...]   Oct 4 2006, 07:04 PM
- - ustrax   QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ Sep 24 2006, 01:19 ...   Oct 4 2006, 07:08 PM
- - djellison   Ustrax - when was the last image from VEX? When di...   Oct 4 2006, 08:27 PM
|- - ustrax   QUOTE (djellison @ Oct 4 2006, 09:27 PM) ...   Oct 5 2006, 04:11 PM
- - Jyril   <annoyed sarcasm>What!? Do we have a pro...   Oct 4 2006, 09:57 PM
- - djellison   The NASA argument doesn't stand up. They hav...   Oct 5 2006, 04:16 PM
|- - ustrax   QUOTE (djellison @ Oct 5 2006, 05:16 PM) ...   Oct 5 2006, 07:24 PM
- - DonPMitchell   I've also noticed that the ESA spends money an...   Oct 5 2006, 06:08 PM
- - remcook   come to think of it...I think European universitie...   Oct 5 2006, 07:33 PM
|- - ustrax   QUOTE (remcook @ Oct 5 2006, 08:33 PM) wh...   Oct 5 2006, 07:43 PM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (ustrax @ Oct 5 2006, 07:43 PM) May...   Oct 5 2006, 08:14 PM
|- - ustrax   QUOTE (tedstryk @ Oct 5 2006, 09:14 PM) T...   Oct 5 2006, 08:36 PM
- - DonPMitchell   There is an official ESA equivalent to PDS, the Pl...   Oct 5 2006, 10:28 PM
|- - JRehling   [...]   Oct 5 2006, 10:40 PM
|- - lyford   QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ Oct 5 2006, 03:28 P...   Oct 5 2006, 11:10 PM
- - Jyril   Hard to believe, but ESA's website is even wor...   Oct 5 2006, 11:14 PM
|- - DonPMitchell   QUOTE (Jyril @ Oct 5 2006, 04:14 PM) Hard...   Oct 6 2006, 05:25 PM
|- - helvick   QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ Oct 6 2006, 06:25 P...   Oct 6 2006, 06:09 PM
- - lyford   I hope I am not breaking any c*pyr*ght with this, ...   Oct 5 2006, 11:26 PM
|- - helvick   QUOTE (lyford @ Oct 6 2006, 12:26 AM) I n...   Oct 6 2006, 07:05 AM
- - hendric   Hey, maybe one of you Europeans can volunteer to m...   Oct 6 2006, 02:42 AM
- - Jyril   This is going a bit OT... The problem with Mircoso...   Oct 6 2006, 06:14 PM
- - DonPMitchell   There is just too much information on a vast site ...   Oct 6 2006, 06:57 PM
- - Jyril   Well, Wikipedia has a huge amount of information, ...   Oct 6 2006, 08:09 PM
- - DonPMitchell   Oh don't get me started about how many wrong s...   Oct 6 2006, 09:12 PM
|- - helvick   Don, I don't think we're that far apart o...   Oct 7 2006, 12:35 AM
|- - David   QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ Oct 6 2006, 09:12 P...   Oct 7 2006, 12:59 AM
||- - DonPMitchell   QUOTE (David @ Oct 6 2006, 05:59 PM) If y...   Oct 7 2006, 05:29 AM
|- - Jyril   QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ Oct 7 2006, 12:12 A...   Oct 7 2006, 11:17 AM
|- - DonPMitchell   QUOTE (Jyril @ Oct 7 2006, 04:17 AM) I wa...   Oct 7 2006, 06:14 PM
- - lyford   Make one!   Oct 7 2006, 06:46 PM


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