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Stratespace
post Jun 15 2016, 10:19 PM
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I am so enthusiastic about the (proposed) Mars2020 camera suite during EDL, as presented today at IPPW:
- 3 PointGrey Chameleon 3 that will be on the skycrane and look up, to monitor parachute deployment at 150 fps.
- 1 GoPro Hero 4 on the skycrane, looking down to monitor the rover descent and landing
- 1 GoPro Hero 4 on the rover, looking up to monitor the skycrane and fly-away
- 1 GoPro Hero 4 on the rover, looking down like MARDI did on Curiosity
- MARDI, of course.

All GoPro have microphone that will be activated, and have been tested successfully in the proper thermal and radiative environment. We should have some awsome footage if it actually flies.
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post Aug 28 2016, 12:34 PM
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I don't think, that sound attenuation poses any significant issue on Mars on the meter scale, especially when relative humidity is very low.
With this calclulator for atmospheric absorption, for sound of 1000 Hz, I get
0.014 dB / m for 103 kPa at 0°C with 10% relative humidity, and
0.0255 dB / m for 0.6 kPa at -20°C with 1% relative humidity.

Above 10 kHz, it may be going to become an issue on the meter scale.

The microphone membrane, however, might be required to deal with reduced sound intensity, since the low-pressure atmosphere transports less sound energy for the same amplitude.
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post Oct 12 2016, 05:33 PM
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QUOTE (Gerald @ Aug 28 2016, 07:34 AM) *
I don't think, that sound attenuation poses any significant issue on Mars on the meter scale,
The microphone membrane, however, might be required to deal with reduced
since the low-pressure atmosphere transports less sound energy for the same amplitude.


Yes, 6mb CO2 conveys sound quite happily over distances of a few meters. Here is some music played ('quite loud' in 1 bar air, but considerably
quieter here at 6mb simply because a loudspeaker diaphragm displacement at a given speed produces a lower sound pressure level simply because the
air density is lower, as you note). The sound is a bit distorted (ethereal, dare I say..?) because of reverberation/multipath between the parallel
metal walls of the chamber (these were tests I did a couple of weeks ago at the Mars Environment simulation chamber in Aarhus, Denmark).
There's also a lot of plant noise (electrical, rather than vibration/acoustic)

http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~rlorenz/oxygene_on_Mars.mp3

More details to be presented at the Mars Atmosphere workshop in Granada in January

Ralph Lorenz
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- Stratespace   Mars2020 landing cameras   Jun 15 2016, 10:19 PM
- - James Sorenson   I have three Point Grey Chameleon3 cameras myself ...   Jun 16 2016, 02:28 AM
- - nprev   Do you have a published, verified reference for th...   Jun 16 2016, 04:06 AM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (nprev @ Jun 15 2016, 08:06 PM) Do ...   Jun 16 2016, 04:16 AM
|- - James Sorenson   Commercial hardware has been slowly making its way...   Jun 16 2016, 04:38 AM
- - nprev   Mike, if you think it's credible then I'm ...   Jun 16 2016, 04:23 AM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (nprev @ Jun 15 2016, 08:23 PM) ......   Jun 16 2016, 05:01 AM
- - Stratespace   QUOTE (nprev @ Jun 16 2016, 06:06 AM) Do ...   Jun 16 2016, 06:48 AM
- - climber   Hum. This will generate a lot of data. Even if low...   Jun 16 2016, 07:36 AM
- - Stratespace   Yep, this will generate at least ~1GB of data. Har...   Jun 16 2016, 07:44 AM
- - James Sorenson   QUOTE (Stratespace @ Jun 15 2016, 10:48 P...   Jun 16 2016, 08:00 AM
- - mcaplinger   "Notional" means they haven't decide...   Jun 16 2016, 01:35 PM
- - climber   So, I guess we can afford one camera labbeled UNMS...   Jun 16 2016, 01:35 PM
- - nprev   Stratespace, thank you very much, and I also apolo...   Jun 16 2016, 03:17 PM
- - scalbers   Herobrine has already been on this http://www.un...   Jun 16 2016, 05:21 PM
- - nprev   ...clearly we gotta be more careful what we post i...   Jun 16 2016, 06:43 PM
- - Stratespace   One of the main issues is to decouple the GoPros f...   Jun 16 2016, 08:48 PM
- - nprev   No, not at all. I strongly suspect that this idea ...   Jun 16 2016, 09:15 PM
- - Stratespace   Yes maybe. But it went through the clearance proce...   Jun 16 2016, 09:25 PM
- - dvandorn   The cameras on the descent stage will obviously ne...   Jun 22 2016, 11:16 PM
|- - vjkane   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Jun 22 2016, 03:16 PM) ...   Jul 17 2016, 11:14 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (vjkane @ Jul 17 2016, 03:14 PM) Ma...   Jul 18 2016, 12:01 AM
|- - TheAnt   QUOTE (vjkane @ Jul 18 2016, 01:14 AM) Ma...   Jul 19 2016, 03:23 PM
|- - vjkane   QUOTE (TheAnt @ Jul 19 2016, 08:23 AM) Fr...   Jul 20 2016, 01:43 PM
- - Explorer1   A microphone, at last! http://www.planetary.or...   Jul 16 2016, 12:37 AM
- - Gerald   I'd expect to hear some occasional cracking of...   Jul 16 2016, 09:18 AM
- - nprev   Gotta remember how exceedingly thin Mars' atmo...   Jul 16 2016, 10:29 PM
- - climber   Will be surprised if Mars will not surprise...   Jul 17 2016, 10:42 AM
- - scalbers   Would a LIDAR help with 3D mapping of the local te...   Jul 17 2016, 11:22 PM
- - climber   There is the following information on AW&ST Au...   Aug 28 2016, 11:38 AM
- - Gerald   I don't think, that sound attenuation poses an...   Aug 28 2016, 12:34 PM
|- - rlorenz   QUOTE (Gerald @ Aug 28 2016, 07:34 AM) I ...   Oct 12 2016, 05:33 PM
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|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (pioneer @ Sep 17 2020, 04:42 PM) D...   Sep 19 2020, 10:54 PM
|- - pioneer   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Sep 19 2020, 11:54 PM...   Sep 20 2020, 06:56 PM
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