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Apollo 12 pre-launch, Some shots from a VIP tour of KSC, August 1969
ilbasso
post Jul 28 2008, 01:50 AM
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This thread had me going back through some of my dad's slides from when he toured KSC in August 1969. I thought you'd enjoy these - which have never been seen publicly before!!!!!


The ascent stage of Intrepid, the Apollo 12 lunar module


The base of the first stage of the Saturn V. S-IC-7 at the top of the picture identifies this as the Apollo 12 Saturn V. Note that the fairings just above the fins have been removed. These fairings covered retro rockets that were fired when the first stage separated from the second stage.


The Apollo 12 Saturn V stack, viewed from above.


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post Aug 1 2008, 06:01 AM
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I just wanted to say again how appreciative I am of these images.

And, BTW, I just noted that the VIP tour was in August, just the month after Apollo 11. Which explains the relatively advanced state of Apollo 12's assembly and check-out. Had Apollo 11 failed to make the lunar landing, Apollo 12 (SA-507) would have flown in September from pad 39B. Had Apollo 12 failed to make the landing, Apollo 13 (SA-508) would have flown in November from 39A. And if 13, too, failed, it was thought that Apollo 14 (SA-509) could be made ready to fly in December, from 39B.

That gave NASA a maximum of four shots to get the landing accomplished by midnight on December 31, 1969. Fact is, *no one* believed that Apollo would succeed in its very first landing attempt, and that none of the preceding missions would need to be re-flown.

So, these wonderful images show a Saturn stack that was nearly ready to be rolled out. The Apollo spacecraft (CSM and LM) weren't quite in as advanced state of readiness, but by this time, they knew they had an extra couple of months to play with. Besides, final fitting-out of the spacecraft depended somewhat on its mission, and you would configure things (especially the LM) a little differently for a first landing than for a second. (For example, had 11 failed, LM-6 wouldn't have carried an ALSEP, it likely would have carried another EASEP.)

I think the documentaries don't really give you a feel for the expedited timelines NASA was willing to use to get that landing done by the end of the decade. One telling point is that the last practice run of a lunar landing before Apollo 11 flew used not the prime or back-up crew from Apollo 11, nor even the prime Apollo 12 crew. That final simulation saw Dave Scott and Jim Irwin, the back-up LM crew for Apollo 12, flying the simulator. So, here we were, before Apollo 11 flew, and the crew in the simulator didn't fly for another two years. But had problems developed and it had taken three or four shots at making the landing, Scott and Irwin might have found themselves flying in not much more than 7 or 8 months' time, hence the perceived value in giving them the simulator time.

-the other Doug


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- ilbasso   Apollo 12 pre-launch   Jul 28 2008, 01:50 AM
- - nprev   ...OOO...AHHH...and I mean that sincerely!...   Jul 28 2008, 03:21 AM
- - ElkGroveDan   QUOTE (ilbasso @ Jul 27 2008, 05:50 PM) T...   Jul 28 2008, 03:51 AM
|- - ilbasso   QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Jul 27 2008, 10:51 P...   Jul 28 2008, 12:53 PM
|- - Airbag   QUOTE (ilbasso @ Jul 28 2008, 08:53 AM) T...   Jul 29 2008, 02:15 AM
- - ilbasso   A few more from the same batch: A view of the hig...   Jul 28 2008, 04:10 AM
- - lyford   WOW! Thank you for posting these....   Jul 28 2008, 06:23 AM
- - climber   Yesterday night I started watching the Apollo 15 c...   Jul 28 2008, 06:31 AM
- - ilbasso   Wow, that's great! I hadn't thought a...   Jul 29 2008, 02:44 AM
- - ilbasso   Pictures of the tour of KSC will be coming up tomo...   Jul 29 2008, 03:40 AM
- - ilbasso   Now, can you identify these?   Jul 29 2008, 03:47 AM
- - ilbasso   and how about these?   Jul 29 2008, 03:50 AM
- - nprev   ....wow!!! Okay, another reason I got...   Jul 29 2008, 04:27 AM
- - mchan   Hound Dog, V1, Snark, Rascal (sez it right there),...   Jul 29 2008, 05:09 AM
- - ilbasso   OK, so now we hop on the tour bus for Launch Compl...   Jul 29 2008, 05:24 PM
- - ilbasso   Once inside the VAB, we see the low bay: The bot...   Jul 29 2008, 05:29 PM
- - ilbasso   Now we leave for some of the other buildings at th...   Jul 29 2008, 05:38 PM
- - ilbasso   And finally: The CSM translation and docking simu...   Jul 29 2008, 05:54 PM
- - djellison   I'd feel the need to go 'hmm- too many ima...   Jul 29 2008, 06:00 PM
|- - ilbasso   QUOTE (djellison @ Jul 29 2008, 02:00 PM)...   Jul 29 2008, 07:39 PM
- - PDP8E   Jonathan, What was your father's job? Not man...   Jul 29 2008, 07:59 PM
- - ilbasso   My dad was a design engineer for ... well, let...   Jul 29 2008, 08:48 PM
- - Tesheiner   > Wish I had been there to see this in person...   Jul 29 2008, 08:49 PM
|- - ilbasso   QUOTE (Tesheiner @ Jul 29 2008, 04:49 PM)...   Jul 30 2008, 12:51 AM
- - Airbag   Those pictures of the CSM and LM simulators and as...   Jul 30 2008, 01:10 AM
|- - ilbasso   QUOTE (Airbag @ Jul 29 2008, 09:10 PM) Th...   Jul 30 2008, 03:25 AM
|- - nprev   QUOTE (ilbasso @ Jul 29 2008, 08:25 PM) T...   Jul 30 2008, 03:30 AM
- - nprev   For real. I've never seen the like before, eve...   Jul 30 2008, 01:59 AM
|- - Airbag   nprev, you will *really* like this DVD set: ...   Jul 30 2008, 02:44 AM
- - ilbasso   For me, the astounding juxtaposition is seeing tha...   Jul 30 2008, 02:45 AM
|- - dvandorn   QUOTE (ilbasso @ Jul 29 2008, 09:45 PM) F...   Jul 30 2008, 04:26 AM
|- - stevesliva   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Jul 30 2008, 12:26 AM) ...   Jul 30 2008, 04:52 PM
- - nprev   Well, the old adage is 'spit & baling wire...   Jul 30 2008, 02:50 AM
- - mchan   Adding my thanks for sharing those photos. Offici...   Jul 30 2008, 06:52 AM
- - edstrick   "...and we no longer have the technology to d...   Jul 31 2008, 09:46 AM
- - SpaceCat   Jonathan, let me add my thanks for sharing- I...   Aug 1 2008, 05:13 AM
- - dvandorn   I just wanted to say again how appreciative I am o...   Aug 1 2008, 06:01 AM
- - ilbasso   I think it was in the discussion doc about the sim...   Aug 1 2008, 01:01 PM
- - dvandorn   If you're counting Skylab, both backup crews i...   Aug 1 2008, 03:47 PM


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