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Bjorn Jonsson
post Oct 11 2009, 06:41 PM
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I have been attempting to make computer generated images of the Martian atmosphere, both as seen from the surface and from space. To check the results I have been looking for spacecraft images to use as ground truth. I have found lots of images - by far the best ones I have found are from UMSF in this thread: http://www.unmannedspaceflight.com/index.php?showtopic=3324

However, I'm always looking for more ;-). So if anyone knows of more and/or better images I'm interested in them. What would be best are mosaics showing the sky from the horizon (with the horizon/surface visible) and towards the zenith.

The sky varies a lot because of variable amount of dust but the general impression I get is that the sky is bright near the horizon (usually brighter than the surface) but gets much darker higher in the sky. There is probably a fairly large, bright area in the sky near the sun, possibly less reddish (lower R/B ratio) than parts of the sky farther from the sun.

I'm already getting fairly interesting results, this one has a field of view of 90 degrees:

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(needless to say this one is 'overexposed' near the horizon; dynamic range is sometimes a problem)

The problem is that even though this may not be bad the limb currently appears far too bright as seen from space :

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This shows that my atmospheric model is erroneous in some way - I suspect that as seen from the surface the Martian sky is darker high above the horizon than I have been assuming.
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post Jan 30 2018, 12:50 AM
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I've seen Jupiter at 10:20am from a high desert location, right next to the moon (as documented in an ancient issue of Sky and Telescope). There is a case to be made that Sirius would be visible from a clean air location when it is at the zenith and I recall some sightings have been made (I can dig out a paper on this).

For Mars it seems that daytime stars might be similar to Earth. The atmospheric scattering (and optical depth) is quite a bit greater and more than compensates for the dimmer sun. Yet aerosols have a greater angular dependence than gases, so away from the sun the sky brightness would tone down a fair amount. Extinction is more of a factor on Mars.

Mars being closer to Jupiter mostly applies near opposition. Daytime signtings would be closer to quadrature when there can be both a distance and a phase angle disadvantage impacting the apparent magnitude. Based on a review of the above sky simulations (assuming an optical depth of 0.5) I may be able to calculate the zenithal limiting magnitude for various solar elevation angles. The best part of the sky to look would be somewhat lower than the zenith and opposite the sun in azimuth.


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post Jan 30 2018, 01:17 AM
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QUOTE (scalbers @ Jan 29 2018, 07:50 PM) *
The best part of the sky to look would be somewhat lower than the zenith and opposite the sun in azimuth.


And the best place to look from is probably the summit of Olympus Mons! One of the only spots, along with the other volcanoes, where not even the global dust storms can reach. 12% the atmospheric pressure, right? Not even Mauna Kea gets close to that in terms of ideal observing locations...
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- Bjorn Jonsson   The Martian Sky   Oct 11 2009, 06:41 PM
- - djellison   That first image is surprisingly (and pleasingly) ...   Oct 11 2009, 07:29 PM
- - ngunn   I expect you've seen this paper (one of my fav...   Oct 11 2009, 09:24 PM
- - Ant103   The first image seems very good for me. Don't ...   Oct 13 2009, 08:42 AM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (Ant103 @ Oct 13 2009, 09:42 AM) wi...   Oct 13 2009, 05:15 PM
- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Oct 11 2009, 10:41...   Oct 13 2009, 04:48 PM
|- - Bjorn Jonsson   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Oct 13 2009, 04:48 PM...   Oct 14 2009, 12:49 AM
|- - mwolff   QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Oct 13 2009, 06:49...   Oct 15 2009, 03:32 PM
- - vikingmars   ...And here is a photo controlled mosaic showing t...   Oct 14 2009, 10:43 PM
- - djellison   All those words and 'sky hemisphere' didn...   Oct 15 2009, 10:12 PM
- - ngunn   Sorry - who's Mike? - and who mentioned 's...   Oct 15 2009, 10:39 PM
- - djellison   Check the bottom of http://pancam.astro.cornell.ed...   Oct 16 2009, 05:59 AM
- - ngunn   Much appreciated, thanks Doug. I'll start agit...   Oct 16 2009, 07:38 AM
- - DDAVIS   I wish they would place a hemispherical mirror som...   Oct 16 2009, 07:53 PM
- - Ant103   Hum… I will better prefer a camera with a fisheye ...   Oct 16 2009, 08:26 PM
|- - DDAVIS   So would I, but the mirror should be easier to arr...   Oct 16 2009, 11:01 PM
- - djellison   It would also be a lot lighter. Beagle 2 used a w...   Oct 17 2009, 08:41 AM
- - Ant103   Here is the settings of the atmosphere in TG2, set...   Oct 17 2009, 11:32 AM
|- - Bjorn Jonsson   QUOTE (Ant103 @ Oct 17 2009, 11:32 AM) He...   Oct 19 2009, 12:58 AM
|- - vikingmars   Bjorn, your test images and simulations are really...   Oct 20 2009, 07:47 AM
|- - mwolff   QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Oct 18 2009, 07:58...   Oct 20 2009, 04:53 PM
|- - Bjorn Jonsson   QUOTE (mwolff @ Oct 20 2009, 04:53 PM) I ...   Oct 21 2009, 05:39 PM
|- - Bjorn Jonsson   I have now made significant improvements to my ren...   Dec 1 2009, 12:33 AM
|- - vikingmars   Really interesting Bjorn ! My 1st impression i...   Dec 1 2009, 07:11 PM
||- - Bjorn Jonsson   Which reminds me - there really should be a test r...   Dec 1 2009, 11:49 PM
|- - Bjorn Jonsson   QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Dec 1 2009, 12:33 ...   Dec 22 2009, 11:31 PM
- - tolis   One question that is relevant to the appearance of...   Oct 21 2009, 01:09 PM
|- - vikingmars   QUOTE (tolis @ Oct 21 2009, 03:09 PM) One...   Oct 21 2009, 01:37 PM
- - djellison   Don't encourage him Bjorn   Dec 2 2009, 08:15 AM
- - DDAVIS   I would like to encourage a small hemispheric mirr...   Dec 2 2009, 08:04 PM
- - James Sorenson   I have imagined a modified MER hazcam camera, but ...   Dec 2 2009, 09:17 PM
- - hendric   Don, Some experiments and deconvolution software...   Dec 2 2009, 10:44 PM
- - mcaplinger   An all-sky pan with the 34mm Mastcam on MSL wouldn...   Dec 2 2009, 11:55 PM
|- - mwolff   --- unnecessary quoting removed --- That would be...   Dec 3 2009, 03:13 PM
- - scalbers   Nice animation above by Bjorn from 2009. Here...   Jan 26 2014, 11:06 PM
- - scalbers   Here is a more direct link to the recent paper tha...   May 12 2015, 06:59 PM
- - Deimos   Yes, I was a bit annoyed by that APOD comment. The...   May 14 2015, 02:39 AM
- - scalbers   Here's a simulation with my latest software fo...   Sep 19 2016, 06:28 PM
- - neo56   Amazing work Scalbers, that's a really nice pr...   Sep 28 2016, 05:12 PM
- - scalbers   Thanks Thomas, and glad they can be used in your m...   Oct 2 2016, 03:13 PM
- - scalbers   Greetings, Considering that light can reflect off...   Oct 30 2016, 08:27 PM
- - scalbers   I can report on some progress with a Monte Carlo p...   Jan 28 2018, 09:46 PM
- - fredk   I'm curious what are the differences between t...   Jan 28 2018, 10:18 PM
|- - scalbers   Indeed both techniques involve tracing of light ra...   Jan 29 2018, 01:09 AM
- - antipode   If you looked up on an average dusty day in Gale C...   Jan 29 2018, 02:04 AM
- - djellison   Do you mean at night? If so - yes - https://www.j...   Jan 29 2018, 09:28 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (djellison @ Jan 29 2018, 01:28 PM)...   Jan 29 2018, 09:56 PM
- - elakdawalla   Would Jupiter be visible to the naked eye in the d...   Jan 29 2018, 11:46 PM
- - Explorer1   A quick Google search shows that some folks have s...   Jan 30 2018, 12:02 AM
- - scalbers   I've seen Jupiter at 10:20am from a high deser...   Jan 30 2018, 12:50 AM
|- - Explorer1   QUOTE (scalbers @ Jan 29 2018, 07:50 PM) ...   Jan 30 2018, 01:17 AM
- - antipode   Hi all, OP here (at least in terms of Mars' sk...   Jan 30 2018, 05:34 AM
|- - scalbers   QUOTE (antipode @ Jan 30 2018, 05:34 AM) ...   Jan 30 2018, 02:36 PM
- - ngunn   I seem to recall one of the rovers acquired at lea...   Jan 30 2018, 09:57 AM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (ngunn @ Jan 30 2018, 01:57 AM) I s...   Jan 30 2018, 03:55 PM
- - scalbers   Olympus Mons should be pretty good as I'm gett...   Jan 30 2018, 04:45 PM
|- - JRehling   I'm not sure how much the martian sky varies, ...   Jan 30 2018, 07:29 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (JRehling @ Jan 30 2018, 11:29 AM) ...   Jan 30 2018, 08:22 PM
|- - fredk   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Jan 30 2018, 09:22 PM...   Jan 31 2018, 12:20 AM
|- - JRehling   Great shot of Phobos, mcaplinger! (I assume th...   Jan 31 2018, 04:27 PM
- - Ant103   Actually, there was a Mastcam mosaic of the sky, n...   Jan 30 2018, 11:33 PM
|- - scalbers   QUOTE (Ant103 @ Jan 30 2018, 11:33 PM) Ac...   Jan 31 2018, 07:39 PM
|- - vikingmars   QUOTE (Ant103 @ Jan 31 2018, 12:33 AM) Ac...   Jan 31 2018, 08:29 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Ant103 @ Jan 30 2018, 03:33 PM) Ac...   Jan 31 2018, 09:11 PM
- - Deimos   Navcam images of Phobos just before & after su...   Jan 31 2018, 11:35 PM
- - scalbers   Indeed it's kind of similar to this earlier si...   Feb 1 2018, 12:33 AM
- - scalbers   Here is an attempt to generate a similar polar (fi...   Feb 4 2018, 12:54 AM
- - Sean   This is wonderful work Steve.... can you please ch...   Mar 31 2018, 12:19 AM
- - scalbers   Hi Sean - thanks. Good question - the intent (as b...   Mar 31 2018, 12:27 AM
- - JohnVV   normally i use the gui for the vips image lib ...   Apr 2 2018, 04:24 AM
- - scalbers   Thanks JohnVV. Revisiting this a bit I made a sequ...   Sep 4 2021, 06:31 PM
- - scalbers   Relating to the last linked paper above, I was abl...   Dec 5 2021, 09:19 PM
- - scalbers   After looking at some additional papers and doing ...   Dec 27 2021, 06:21 PM
- - scalbers   Thanks to Damia's post in a different thread (...   Jan 23 2022, 09:09 PM
|- - fredk   QUOTE (scalbers @ Jan 23 2022, 10:09 PM) ...   Jan 23 2022, 10:37 PM
- - scalbers   QUOTE (fredk @ Jan 23 2022, 10:37 PM) Can...   Jan 23 2022, 11:29 PM
- - Deimos   The Sun was saturated in the recent M2020 sunset i...   Jan 24 2022, 12:02 AM
- - Deimos   Holy Moly! That Applied Optics paper modeled t...   Jan 24 2022, 12:19 AM
- - scalbers   Yes we could still provide the authors with that d...   Jan 24 2022, 12:31 AM
- - scalbers   Here's a animated version with -0.15 Angstrom ...   Feb 6 2022, 07:44 PM
- - fredk   This MSL navcam image: https://mars.nasa.gov/msl-...   Sep 15 2022, 10:32 PM
- - climber   Any chance it could be zodiacal light instead ?   Sep 16 2022, 06:26 AM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (climber @ Sep 15 2022, 10:26 PM) A...   Sep 16 2022, 02:21 PM
- - nprev   Likely has at least something to do with the scale...   Sep 16 2022, 08:04 AM
- - scalbers   As mentioned a longer twilight on Mars relates to ...   Sep 16 2022, 04:34 PM
- - Bill Harris   "Do we expect martian twilight to last longer...   Sep 19 2022, 03:25 AM
- - scalbers   Earth sky analogy to Mars: https://www.scmp.com/n...   Apr 10 2023, 06:32 PM
- - scalbers   For convenience is there a handy reference to find...   Jul 2 2023, 09:50 PM
|- - rlorenz   QUOTE (scalbers @ Jul 2 2023, 05:50 PM) F...   Jul 4 2023, 04:03 PM
- - fredk   The filename sites for MER and MSL are still up: ...   Jul 2 2023, 11:26 PM
- - mcaplinger   https://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/mars24/   Jul 2 2023, 11:43 PM


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