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post Apr 7 2007, 01:31 AM
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This article from JPL describes recent efforts to derive a main belt multi-asteroid mission trajectory...any of you orbitsmiths out there have some early thoughts/observations?


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post Jan 7 2017, 06:33 PM
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"roughly 2,200 asteroids within .1 au."
"That's an average of 2.4 close approaches per day."

It's a nice idea... but 0.1 AU is 15 million km, so most of these are not exactly close approaches in the sense we think of them with typical flybys. You could do great survey work and really expand the phase angle photometry, but you would probably have to work hard to get more than a handful of close approaches.

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post Jan 7 2017, 07:32 PM
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QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Jan 7 2017, 07:33 PM) *
"roughly 2,200 asteroids within .1 au."
"That's an average of 2.4 close approaches per day."

It's a nice idea... but 0.1 AU is 15 million km, so most of these are not exactly close approaches in the sense we think of them with typical flybys. You could do great survey work and really expand the phase angle photometry, but you would probably have to work hard to get more than a handful of close approaches.

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Yep, I typed and retyped "close" versus "closest"...
but "close enough for spectra and phase curves" is what you'd get.

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Hmm, quick fact check- visibility at .5AU.
New Horizons got usable data from two ~100-150 km KBOs at .5 & 1.8AU distance, in really low light.
Illumination comparison would be asteroids at ~3 au versus KBOs ~40AU, is square of distance
so 40AU^2 = 1600 while 3AU^2 ~10, so asteroids get about 160 times the illumination that KBOs do.
KBOs visibility ¶x 150km^2 = 1 illumination unit x .5AU distance
Asteroid visibilty ¶x 12km^2 = 160 illumination units x .5AU distance

So, New Horizon's camera in the asteroid belt could get light curves from 12km objects at .5AU?
Then, eh 5.3km objects within .1AU?
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post Jan 7 2017, 08:16 PM
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Certainly it would be desirable to plan the trajectory rather than pick a trajectory and hope for the best. How much good the planning would do is an empirical matter. Probably a little bit of propulsion would go a long way so that a little delta-v before a targeted encounter could set it up to be quite close. It may be that some launch opportunities would be considerably better than others. Of course, some targets are more interesting than others. All told, it's probably better to get 20 to 60 close flybys of interesting targets than to get 1000 distant flybys of random ones. All told, it's a complex paradigm with time as one parameter and assessments of scientific interest as another. And the interest of a set of targets would not the sum of the interest of each of them.

It'd be fun, but hard, to model this out; it's hard to assess how that would go without getting deep into the details.
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- nprev   Asteroid Grand Tour   Apr 7 2007, 01:31 AM
- - tasp   I don't know if this is original with me, but ...   Apr 7 2007, 03:10 AM
- - elakdawalla   I thought that article was interesting but wish th...   Apr 7 2007, 03:55 AM
- - nprev   Yeah, Emily. It was notably short of specific targ...   Apr 7 2007, 05:44 AM
- - edstrick   Classic example of a press release about a science...   Apr 7 2007, 08:02 AM
- - SFJCody   The trajectory details for the 2006 GTOC 1 are her...   Apr 7 2007, 09:45 AM
- - djellison   LOVE it... EVEEEJSJA EVVEEVVEVEJSJA EEVEEJSA Ma...   Apr 7 2007, 09:57 AM
- - nprev   30-year mission duration for those long hauls usin...   Apr 7 2007, 01:45 PM
- - Greg Hullender   Any idea what "v-infinity" means in the ...   Apr 7 2007, 04:50 PM
- - elakdawalla   Last year's was a very different challenge. F...   Apr 7 2007, 05:49 PM
|- - JRehling   I'll echo my concept of a retrograde solar orb...   Apr 7 2007, 11:39 PM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (JRehling @ Apr 7 2007, 11:39 PM) I...   Jan 7 2017, 02:52 PM
- - djellison   Your flyby velocity would be ENORMOUS though - you...   Apr 8 2007, 06:52 AM
- - ugordan   Well, DI's encounter with Tempel-1 was 10 km/s...   Apr 8 2007, 11:22 AM
- - nprev   It may be that some variation of JR's idea was...   Apr 8 2007, 03:07 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (nprev @ Apr 8 2007, 08:07 AM) It m...   Apr 17 2007, 04:40 PM
- - Floyd   The four asteroid tour (each a different type) is ...   Apr 8 2007, 06:00 PM
- - nprev   Yeah...seems as if the prime filter would be choos...   Apr 8 2007, 06:07 PM
- - Greg Hullender   With only four asteroids, I don't the choice o...   Apr 8 2007, 07:11 PM
- - nprev   I think things like minimizing propellant consumpt...   Apr 9 2007, 12:53 AM
- - Floyd   Greg, you are correct in that the traveling salesm...   Apr 9 2007, 01:44 AM
- - Greg Hullender   As I said, it's not an easy problem, but that...   Apr 9 2007, 03:15 AM
- - tasp   Has anyone gone back and looked at the Voyager pat...   Apr 9 2007, 01:59 PM
- - JKreider   Retrograde Asteroid Fly-by Trajectories, RAFT I...   Sep 29 2009, 07:20 PM
|- - SFJCody   Very interesting work. I wonder if it would be wor...   Sep 29 2009, 07:44 PM
- - Holder of the Two Leashes   Such impactors would be excellent for spectral stu...   Sep 29 2009, 09:10 PM
- - Phil Stooke   "roughly 2,200 asteroids within .1 au." ...   Jan 7 2017, 06:33 PM
- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Jan 7 2017, 07:33 PM...   Jan 7 2017, 07:32 PM
- - JRehling   Certainly it would be desirable to plan the trajec...   Jan 7 2017, 08:16 PM


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