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Rev 127 - Feb 22-Mar 12, 2010 - Rhea R2 and Helene, Also distant Iapetus
elakdawalla
post Feb 20 2010, 04:29 AM
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Holy moly are these back-to-back flybys of Rhea and Helene going to ROCK!!!! Jason's Rev 127 looking ahead article has all the details. Wispy terrain high-res mosaic -- close look at putative impact sites of former ring particles -- MIMI attempt to confirm presence of Rhea ring -- Imaging of pretty much all of Helene using Saturnshine to illuminate sub-Saturn hemisphere on approach, sunshine on anti-Saturn hemisphere on departure -- departure shots will be against Saturn as a backdrop -- C/A shots will use skeet shoot technique derived for Encelauds -- etc. etc. --

I can't wait!! Thanks Jason for the preview!!!


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Elias
post Feb 26 2010, 05:40 PM
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I am not sure if MIMI data can confirm the disk/rings scenario. What MIMI data may tell us is whether the structures that will be observed during the flyby in electrons and ions, under a much different geometry compared to the two previous flybys, are consistent with that exciting scenario (or not). Consistent observations under much different geometries, may strengthen the initial interpretation, but definitely not prove it.

I think proof can only come from imaging observations (or maybe other, more direct methods than those based primarily on charged particle data).
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post Feb 26 2010, 06:45 PM
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QUOTE (Elias @ Feb 26 2010, 11:40 AM) *
I am not sure if MIMI data can confirm the disk/rings scenario. What MIMI data may tell us is whether the structures that will be observed during the flyby in electrons and ions, under a much different geometry compared to the two previous flybys, are consistent with that exciting scenario (or not). Consistent observations under much different geometries, may strengthen the initial interpretation, but definitely not prove it.

I think proof can only come from imaging observations (or maybe other, more direct methods than those based primarily on charged particle data).



if it cant be seen from orbit, the best case for corraborative proof then comes from the equatorial features i and others have shown above and elsewhere that are very difficult to attribute to anything but debris orbiting Rhea in a very thin and low density disk. but the motivation for the flyby is these "rings" so here's hoping they find something


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post Feb 26 2010, 09:20 PM
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QUOTE (DrShank @ Feb 26 2010, 07:45 PM) *
if it cant be seen from orbit, the best case for corraborative proof then comes from the equatorial features i and others have shown above and elsewhere that are very difficult to attribute to anything but debris orbiting Rhea in a very thin and low density disk. but the motivation for the flyby is these "rings" so here's hoping they find something



But the equatorial features may simply indicate that there was a ring sometime in the past, and its collapse has formed them. Is that right? Its not necessary that the ring system/disk still exists (although in the context of the MIMI observations, one may assume that).
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- elakdawalla   Rev 127 - Feb 22-Mar 12, 2010 - Rhea R2 and Helene   Feb 20 2010, 04:29 AM
- - volcanopele   The CICLOPS Looking Ahead article for Rev127 (Febr...   Feb 20 2010, 04:33 AM
- - jasedm   I'm loving the ring-plane orbits with all thes...   Feb 21 2010, 08:28 AM
- - TritonAntares   Hi, just to mentioned: QUOTE Cassini's ISS ca...   Feb 21 2010, 11:23 AM
|- - TritonAntares   So, about 75 images are online. Here a quickout: ...   Feb 25 2010, 10:53 PM
|- - Adam Hurcewicz   QUOTE (TritonAntares @ Feb 25 2010, 11:53...   Feb 26 2010, 12:54 AM
- - Floyd   I think not. A search of the SM-7_all.doc (posted ...   Feb 21 2010, 02:15 PM
- - belleraphon1   Looking forward to this one as well. If Helene i...   Feb 23 2010, 01:06 AM
- - tasp   Do we get some close ups of the intriguing equator...   Feb 23 2010, 03:38 AM
- - DrShank   here are some nice perspective views of Rhea, targ...   Feb 25 2010, 06:31 PM
- - Floyd   Hi Adam, Tried your link, but I can't get it t...   Feb 26 2010, 01:39 AM
|- - Adam Hurcewicz   QUOTE (Floyd @ Feb 26 2010, 02:39 AM) Hi ...   Feb 26 2010, 01:47 AM
- - Elias   I am not sure if MIMI data can confirm the disk/ri...   Feb 26 2010, 05:40 PM
|- - DrShank   QUOTE (Elias @ Feb 26 2010, 11:40 AM) I a...   Feb 26 2010, 06:45 PM
||- - Elias   QUOTE (DrShank @ Feb 26 2010, 07:45 PM) i...   Feb 26 2010, 09:20 PM
||- - DrShank   QUOTE (Elias @ Feb 26 2010, 03:20 PM) But...   Feb 26 2010, 09:34 PM
||- - ugordan   QUOTE (DrShank @ Feb 26 2010, 10:34 PM) o...   Feb 26 2010, 09:39 PM
||- - Elias   QUOTE (DrShank @ Feb 26 2010, 10:34 PM) y...   Mar 2 2010, 02:19 PM
|- - jasedm   QUOTE (Elias @ Feb 26 2010, 05:40 PM) I a...   Feb 27 2010, 05:20 PM
- - Hungry4info   Quick, dirty gif of a mutual event with Dione and ...   Feb 28 2010, 02:27 PM
|- - volcanopele   QUOTE (Hungry4info @ Feb 28 2010, 07:27 A...   Feb 28 2010, 08:57 PM
|- - ugordan   Enceladus, plume and rings, RGB:   Mar 2 2010, 10:04 PM
- - tasp   I am not sure if this would be compression artifac...   Mar 2 2010, 04:22 PM
- - peter59   Interesting JPL blog with a fantastic movie made b...   Mar 2 2010, 05:14 PM
- - volcanopele   Animation of Helene flyby just uploaded to youtube...   Mar 3 2010, 09:37 AM
- - ugordan   Rhea images have started coming down: http://satur...   Mar 3 2010, 10:20 AM
|- - Sunspot   QUOTE (ugordan @ Mar 3 2010, 10:20 AM) Rh...   Mar 3 2010, 01:41 PM
|- - ugordan   No, it's a real crack.   Mar 3 2010, 01:54 PM
- - Astro0   Handstitched mosaic of Rhea. Image sequence N00152...   Mar 3 2010, 01:28 PM
- - Ian R   Here's a global colour view of Rhea (IR-GR-VIO...   Mar 3 2010, 01:32 PM
- - Hungry4info   Really neat images!   Mar 3 2010, 02:50 PM
- - Exploitcorporations   First Helene images arriving: Saturnshine   Mar 3 2010, 08:09 PM
- - Sunspot   Looks like the pointing is off   Mar 3 2010, 08:20 PM
|- - ugordan   QUOTE (Sunspot @ Mar 3 2010, 09:20 PM) Lo...   Mar 3 2010, 08:27 PM
|- - volcanopele   QUOTE (Sunspot @ Mar 3 2010, 01:20 PM) Lo...   Mar 3 2010, 08:36 PM
- - Bjorn Jonsson   Well, Helene's surface certainly appears smoot...   Mar 3 2010, 08:21 PM
- - Ian R   Helene in Saturn-shine:   Mar 3 2010, 08:29 PM
- - Ian R   I guess this will be the highest resolution view o...   Mar 3 2010, 08:43 PM
|- - Exploitcorporations   I imagine that some careful compositing, a la Temp...   Mar 3 2010, 09:06 PM
|- - ugordan   Looks to me there's too much rotation to pull ...   Mar 3 2010, 09:07 PM
- - volcanopele   Nope this beats it: http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/ph...   Mar 3 2010, 08:56 PM
- - Phil Stooke   Cripes - now we've got gullies on Helene... P...   Mar 3 2010, 09:11 PM
- - volcanopele   Phil, that sent a chuckle among the HiRISE people ...   Mar 3 2010, 09:53 PM
- - jasedm   It just shows the standard we've come to expec...   Mar 3 2010, 10:06 PM
- - ngunn   Have we had all the Rhea images now, and if so has...   Mar 3 2010, 10:17 PM
- - volcanopele   Well, the issue might have been not so much the po...   Mar 3 2010, 10:19 PM
|- - AndyG   QUOTE (volcanopele @ Mar 3 2010, 10:19 PM...   Mar 3 2010, 10:23 PM
||- - ngunn   QUOTE (AndyG @ Mar 3 2010, 10:23 PM) When...   Mar 3 2010, 10:52 PM
||- - Frank Crary   QUOTE (ngunn @ Mar 3 2010, 10:52 PM) QUOT...   Mar 4 2010, 07:52 PM
|- - NickF   QUOTE (volcanopele @ Mar 3 2010, 10:19 PM...   Mar 3 2010, 10:54 PM
- - jasedm   One of the better global raws, rotated so the lar...   Mar 3 2010, 10:21 PM
|- - volcanopele   QUOTE (jasedm @ Mar 3 2010, 03:21 PM) One...   Mar 3 2010, 10:39 PM
- - jasedm   Ah yes, you're right, I overlooked the rim of ...   Mar 3 2010, 10:45 PM
- - machi   Darkside of Helene. Combination from five raw imag...   Mar 4 2010, 10:57 AM
- - stevesliva   Nice machi! You brought out some gullies/stre...   Mar 4 2010, 05:25 PM
- - ngunn   Welcome to UMSF Frank.   Mar 4 2010, 09:59 PM
- - Ian R   In this montage, the two views to the right are wi...   Mar 5 2010, 01:53 AM
- - machi   Nice montage Ian R! I send another two views ...   Mar 7 2010, 03:58 PM
- - machi   And third image. It's a combination from 13 i...   Mar 7 2010, 04:28 PM
- - alan   Lots of linear features on the crater rim, the res...   Mar 7 2010, 04:51 PM
- - Ian R   Very nice work indeed, Machi. Here's my att...   Mar 8 2010, 01:42 AM
- - Ian R   Here's another attempt of making sense of the ...   Mar 11 2010, 01:05 AM
- - elakdawalla   This is really awesome. One thing that I think wo...   Mar 11 2010, 02:08 AM
- - machi   I always love images of this kind!   Mar 11 2010, 10:26 AM
- - Ian R   Glad you got a kick out of my little experiment Em...   Mar 11 2010, 11:36 AM
- - tasp   Fascinating how Helene can probe the mass ratio of...   Mar 11 2010, 02:37 PM
- - jasedm   Just wanted to add to the chorus of approval of yo...   Mar 11 2010, 08:46 PM
- - belleraphon1   Rhea encounter... " At a science meeting Fri...   Mar 15 2010, 10:11 PM
|- - Antdoghalo   QUOTE (belleraphon1 @ Mar 15 2010, 06:11 ...   Mar 16 2010, 01:56 AM
|- - ugordan   QUOTE (belleraphon1 @ Mar 15 2010, 11:11 ...   Mar 16 2010, 09:11 AM
- - nprev   It sounds interesting all right, but don't get...   Mar 16 2010, 02:00 AM
- - Juramike   I think Rhea has been underappreciated. I'm l...   Mar 16 2010, 02:50 AM
- - tasp   Evidently, Cassini did not impact anything too big...   Mar 16 2010, 01:54 PM
- - Ian R   I notice that the best narrow-angle shot of Helene...   Sep 23 2010, 11:49 AM
- - Ian R   Of minor interest, I'm sure, is a video of the...   Sep 30 2010, 02:42 PM
- - Phil Stooke   Very nice - thanks! Phil   Sep 30 2010, 07:27 PM
- - Hungry4info   An oxygen-carbon dioxide atmosphere has been obser...   Nov 26 2010, 03:04 AM
- - nprev   At least the comments are (mostly) quite properly ...   Nov 26 2010, 03:28 AM
|- - centsworth_II   QUOTE (nprev @ Nov 25 2010, 10:28 PM) At ...   Nov 26 2010, 01:17 PM
- - belleraphon1   Deep breathes, nprev, deep breathes...... just don...   Nov 26 2010, 12:03 PM
- - nprev   Grr. (I'm cool, Craig, I'm cool!) Arti...   Nov 26 2010, 06:02 PM
- - Hungry4info   Dropping the S/N for a sec for an artistic interpr...   Nov 27 2010, 05:11 PM
|- - Elias   QUOTE (Hungry4info @ Nov 27 2010, 07:11 P...   Nov 29 2010, 10:36 PM
- - Paolo   the discovery of Rhea's "atmosphere...   Dec 23 2010, 08:04 PM
- - Juramike   Image of Helene from March 3, 2010 flyby using ...   Jun 1 2011, 03:46 AM
- - nprev   That's an "oooo!!!" That...   Jun 1 2011, 03:59 AM
- - AndyG   And I can't help but add "groovy".   Jun 1 2011, 10:52 AM


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