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gndonald
post Feb 17 2006, 03:50 PM
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I was reading an online article on the various plans to explode nuclear weapons on the moon, when I spotted a reference to Soviet plans to 'calibrate' seismic models of Venus by exploding a nuclear weapon there, supposedly this planning went on until the 1970's which is well after the limited test ban treaty.

Obviously this would not have been a single craft mission, as seismographic equipment would have to have been emplaced before the explosion. Does anyone have any further information on just what was planned?
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gndonald
post Feb 19 2006, 03:46 PM
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I wouldn't necessarily classify the idea as 'crazy'. Grossly irresponsible perhaps, a bad public relations move certainly, but not insane.

The basic science objective is understandable, using seismic waves to determine the interior composition of a planet or moon has been tried by the US, successfully on the Moon during the Apollo program and unsuccessfuly during the Viking mission to Mars.

What the Soviets were probably planning to do was land several probes fitted with seismonitors on one side of Venus and detonate the nuke on the other side, this would give them the ability to amongst other things determine whether or not Venus has a liquid core.
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JRehling
post Feb 19 2006, 10:24 PM
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A friend of mine who was a seismologist certainly complained that a problem (for geologists) is that there aren't enough earthquakes. Of course, for the rest of us, there are more than enough.

The thing about nuking Venus is that presumes we would even need to create a big blast. It may very well have quakes all the time. They probably wouldn't be so nice as to occur at the moment and magnitude and location that we desire, but we ought to check...
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post Feb 20 2006, 07:21 AM
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QUOTE (JRehling @ Feb 19 2006, 11:24 PM) *
A friend of mine who was a seismologist certainly complained that a problem (for geologists) is that there aren't enough earthquakes. Of course, for the rest of us, there are more than enough.

The thing about nuking Venus is that presumes we would even need to create a big blast. It may very well have quakes all the time. They probably wouldn't be so nice as to occur at the moment and magnitude and location that we desire, but we ought to check...



Actually a nuclear (or sufficiently large conventional) explosion is much better than an earthquake from a seismological point of view because:

1. It's a point source

2. Time, location and energy release are known to a high precision

Actually I fail to see what is "squirrelly" or "irresponsible" with this idea. It seems to be a sensible and scientifically quite valuable concept. The only possibly dangerous part would be the launch of the nuclear charge(s), but they would in any case have to be in ballistic warheads which are built to survive re-entry and have been thoroughly researched for decades. For extra safety you could use oralloy weapons, in which case even an atmospheric breakup would have negligible environmental impact.

The main problems would be the test-ban treaty (if it applies to the surface of Venus), and a mental barrier to using nuclear explosions for any reason whatsoever.

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- gndonald   Nuking Venus   Feb 17 2006, 03:50 PM
- - Steffen   Amazing (crazy) plans for Venus!   Feb 19 2006, 10:48 AM
- - gndonald   I wouldn't necessarily classify the idea as ...   Feb 19 2006, 03:46 PM
|- - JRehling   A friend of mine who was a seismologist certainly ...   Feb 19 2006, 10:24 PM
|- - gndonald   QUOTE (JRehling @ Feb 20 2006, 06:24 AM) ...   Feb 20 2006, 12:20 AM
|- - tty   QUOTE (JRehling @ Feb 19 2006, 11:24 PM) ...   Feb 20 2006, 07:21 AM
|- - gndonald   QUOTE (tty @ Feb 20 2006, 03:21 PM) Actua...   Feb 20 2006, 04:08 PM
|- - DonPMitchell   I think seismology on Venus will be very valuable....   May 8 2006, 05:04 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   I think the various treaties covered objects in or...   May 8 2006, 09:32 PM
|- - DonPMitchell   QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ May 8 2006, 02:32 PM) I...   May 9 2006, 12:58 AM
|- - gndonald   QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ May 9 2006, 08:58 A...   May 9 2006, 02:22 AM
|- - ugordan   QUOTE (gndonald @ May 9 2006, 03:22 AM) A...   May 9 2006, 07:38 AM
||- - DonPMitchell   QUOTE (ugordan @ May 9 2006, 12:38 AM) Ye...   May 9 2006, 09:49 AM
|||- - ugordan   QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ May 9 2006, 10:49 A...   May 9 2006, 10:08 AM
||- - Bob Shaw   Gordan: Any idea of how much Pu got spread over F...   May 9 2006, 11:05 AM
||- - gndonald   QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ May 9 2006, 07:05 PM) G...   May 9 2006, 01:26 PM
|||- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (gndonald @ May 9 2006, 02:26 PM) G...   May 9 2006, 02:01 PM
|||- - gndonald   QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ May 9 2006, 10:01 PM) G...   May 9 2006, 03:22 PM
||- - ugordan   QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ May 9 2006, 12:05 PM) A...   May 10 2006, 07:50 AM
||- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (ugordan @ May 10 2006, 08:50 AM) R...   May 10 2006, 10:49 AM
|- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (gndonald @ May 8 2006, 10:22 PM) A...   May 9 2006, 02:26 PM
|- - DonPMitchell   QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ May 9 2006, 07:26 AM...   May 9 2006, 06:18 PM
|- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ May 9 2006, 02:18 P...   May 10 2006, 11:19 AM
|- - ugordan   QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ May 10 2006, 12:19 P...   May 10 2006, 11:42 AM
|- - DonPMitchell   QUOTE (ugordan @ May 10 2006, 04:42 AM) I...   May 10 2006, 12:26 PM
|- - ugordan   QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ May 10 2006, 01:26 ...   May 10 2006, 12:53 PM
|- - DonPMitchell   QUOTE (ugordan @ May 10 2006, 05:53 AM) I...   May 10 2006, 01:37 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   Overall, I think this just proves again that there...   Feb 20 2006, 01:14 AM
- - edstrick   One mission (or instrument on a mission) that is e...   Feb 20 2006, 08:42 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   Personal courtesy was not one of Khrushchev's ...   May 9 2006, 11:54 PM
|- - DonPMitchell   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ May 9 2006, 04:54 PM...   May 10 2006, 12:24 AM
- - ljk4-1   Here are more details and useful links on the Sovi...   May 19 2006, 03:49 PM


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