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Researchers Find Evidence Of Distant Outer Planet
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post Sep 2 2016, 03:54 PM
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QUOTE (Gerald @ Jan 20 2016, 07:35 PM) *
That far out the Hill sphere of an object should be rather large. Therfore I'm wondering - provided the analysis isn't based on observational bias - whether there couldn't exist kind of a miniature globular cluster made of planetesimals, or a small version of a protoplanetary disk, of the same mass as the presumed planet, but without having formed an actual planet.
The simulations - as far as I understood - assume a certain point mass, but not necessarily united to one planet.
Or - if there is one population of KBOs - why not a second one, forming a Kozai-like resonance with the observed population.



According to space-engine simulations, the Hill sphere could be several AU! Sounds plausible. It would be able to capture alot of stuff.
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post Sep 2 2016, 08:06 PM
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QUOTE (Mongo @ Aug 31 2016, 08:18 PM) *

Odd gap in the perihelia:
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In our survey simulator, we find that 71% of detections should occur in the 50 AU to 75 AU range. Since we found 2 EDTNOs and 1 IOC object, none of which had perihelia in the 50 to 75 AU range, the probability of this occurring by chance is about 2%

Other surveys have found the other 19 known ETNOs, none of which have perihelion in the 50 AU to 75 AU range. If other surveys have similar biases to our own, the probability of this occurring by chance is roughly 0.29^19 = 610^−11 or about 7 σ assuming Gaussian statistics
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post Sep 3 2016, 02:06 AM
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QUOTE (alan @ Sep 2 2016, 08:06 PM) *
Odd gap in the perihelia:

There were a number of very interesting objects found, that were buried in the paper:

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The TNO 2013 FY27 was found to be one of the most distant and one of the brightest outer solar system objects discovered in this survey. The 22 magnitude r-band magnitude and 80.5 AU distance of 2013 FY27 give the object an absolute magnitude of about 2.9. This makes 2013 FY27 one of the top ten intrinsically brightest TNOs and thus it could be a top ten largest TNO as well. Though the diameter and albedo are unknown, assuming an albedo of 0.1 yields a diameter around 1000 km.

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The first object that enters into the outer Oort cloud yet has perihelion greater than Neptune was discovered as part of this survey. 2014 FE72 has a semi-major axis around 2155 AU and an aphelion distance of some 4000 AU.
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post Apr 3 2017, 01:49 PM
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Crowdsourcing astronomy
https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/marckuc...worlds-planet-9

60,000 volunteer astronomers sort through 4 million objects in 3 days,
they've identified 4 candidates for a large planet out in the kuiper belt.

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http://www.universetoday.com/134824/four-c...anet-9-located/

A concentrated three-day search for a mysterious, unseen planet in the far reaches of our own solar system has yielded four possible candidates.
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post Apr 6 2017, 03:55 AM
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Interesting work. I would note that, if there is no more than one major distant planet, the false positive rate is, as a matter of logical necessity, either 75% or 100%, so interpret this preliminary work in that light. I think I'd title this work more cautiously with that extremely high false positive rate in mind. It's really not evidence of such a planet at all it's a useful direction for future work.
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post Apr 8 2017, 12:25 PM
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Indeed it's catchy headline, and that attract readers.
If we instead lift a sentence from the main text and use this as a headline:

"Weve managed to rule out a planet about the size of Neptune being in about 90 per cent of the southern sky..."
The whole matter is turned on it's head.

But yes, interesting effort nevertheless. smile.gif
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post Jun 23 2017, 02:22 PM
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Now there is evidence of another fairly large body out there, this one around Mars mass and closer than 100 AU.

Warped Kuiper disk

It took a while, but I tracked down the paper on the LPL site:

Draft Version
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post Jul 13 2017, 02:20 PM
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The latest ...

New evidence in support of the {Trans-Neptunian Gas Giant} hypothesis
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post Jul 25 2018, 09:15 PM
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Given the discovery of more satellites of Jupiter as a result of the search for this planet, I decided to poke around for some news. Good long article here:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/...into-the-abyss/
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post Mar 4 2019, 10:57 PM
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Awhile ago I found this blog:
http://www.findplanetnine.com/

There are a number of recent updates from Konstantin Batygin.

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[It's] a factor of ~2 smaller in all quantities compared to what we reported in the original paper. The new estimate of the semi-major axis is a~400-500AU (could potentially be even smaller, but only marginally so). It’s orbital eccentricity is about e~0.15-0.3. The inclination is around i~20 deg. Last but not least, the mass is about m~5 Earth masses. It's probably not a relative of Neptune — it’s a Super-Earth.
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QUOTE (stevesliva @ Mar 4 2019, 10:57 PM) *
Awhile ago I found this blog:
http://www.findplanetnine.com/

There are a number of recent updates from Konstantin Batygin.

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Planet Nine is probably not a relative of Neptune its a Super-Earth.




Interesting, our solar system seems to be missing a Super-Earth, guess that's where it got to.


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post Mar 5 2019, 04:16 AM
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Reposting this as a reminder. Yes, I know that it is VERY difficult to do given the popular press coverage...but please make the effort.

I'll let the original posters make their own edits.



QUOTE (nprev @ Aug 31 2016, 10:01 PM) *
MOD NOTE: Just a reminder that in accordance with rule 1.9 please do not refer to this postulated object during discussion as "Planet 9" due to the ongoing (and indefinite, and definitely prohibited here) debate about what and what is not a planet.

Fully understand that external articles and authors do so constantly, but the Forum is not going to participate in or enable (even indirectly) this highly emotional, too often acrimonious, and frankly unscientific debate. Thanks!
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post Mar 5 2019, 02:22 PM
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It is hard, but the term also strikes me as a bit deliberately contentious, so I understand. I see someone got to my other post, which is good.
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