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post Sep 8 2018, 07:14 AM
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The spacecraft has entered its preliminary design review phase, so I think it's time to begin discussion of what promises to be a fascinating journey to one of the most interesting destinations in the Solar System. Dr. Robert Pappalardo, the mission's chief scientist, delivered an overview of Europa as well as a top-level description of instrumentation and objectives during a talk tonight at the Griffith Observatory as part of their monthly "All Space Considered" series, so that serves as a good starting point. His presentation starts at 29:35.

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I will note that the current tour SPICE kernel is on the NAIF kernel site. If you know how to use something like spiceypy, one could create a python script that gives you all the flybys.......


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post Apr 17 2024, 02:04 PM
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Here is a map that aggregates all of the ground tracks, which displayed an impressively dense grid-like coverage of the entire surface, though with some concentrations reflecting the realities of orbital geometry.

https://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2023/pdf/1518.pdf

It notes, at a high level, that the early orbits will focus on the anti-Jupiter hemisphere and then the later orbits will focus on the sub-Jupiter hemisphere.

Other commentary is here.

https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2024/04/ec-jpl-interview/

https://europa.nasa.gov/mission/timeline/

Because the main mission coverage is a bit uneven spatially, there's the prospect that features that seem intriguing given coverage from the main mission could be the targets of specific focus during any possible extended mission. This will introduce luck and chance as factors – will there be uniquely interesting features that just happen to be located near/far from the closest ground tracks, and how will the spacecraft hold up as radiation damage takes its toll? I think the subtext is that potential targets for any future landers will be of prime interest, and only time will tell if there are uniquely promising locations for a lander (as on Mars) or if there are, effectively, many areas that are more or less equally intriguing. We already know that there are isolated areas with more recent exposure to subsurface activity than is typical, but we don't have sufficient coverage from Galileo to characterize what might be the best locations.

The overlap with JUICE is important context, should both missions function perfectly. This would make EC's coverage of Ganymede and JUICE's coverage of Europa seemingly less important, but the instrument suites are not exactly identical, so perhaps those differences will be highlighted by circumstances where each observes the "other" moon. And it highlights the importance of the observations of Callisto, which is not the primary target of either mission, but will be visited a total of 21 times by these two orbiters, which would seem to offer the potential for excellent and definitive coverage (Galileo flew by Callisto only 3 times in the primary missions and 8 times in all). In fact, both EC and JUICE will each fly by Callisto more times than Galileo ever did.
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post Apr 19 2024, 04:48 PM
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To the point, I think, of Steve's question, I took a look at the Galileo-era maps of the four Galileans and how coverage has varied, which is to say the least considerable. For each, portions have been mapped at scales of 1km/pixel or much better, while other large portions have been imaged at no better than 5km/pixel.

The successful completion of EC and JUICE will utterly supersede current imagery for Europa and Ganymede, and the contributions of each mission to "the other" moon in that pair will be essentially redundant, in terms of mapping. (I'm curious if the two different radar instruments will produce interestingly complimentary data in cases where the ground tracks cross.)

Neither will approach Io closely, but will potentially come as close to Io as Europa is to Io. That won't advance our global maps of Io except in the sense that Io's time-varying vulcanism makes even remote observations potentially interesting.

Callisto is the wildcard. As long as the flybys aren't completely undermined by redundant geometry, nightside closest approaches and/or policies against performing observations, those 21 combined flybys – nearly half as many as EC will make of Europa – should amount to the definitive exploration of Callisto. ESA is quite focused on their end of this; note that the mission name itself is not specific to Ganymede and Callisto is indeed a primary target of the mission, even if it's not as primary as Ganymede. Some interesting and fun discussion here:

https://www.esa.int/Enabling_Support/Operat...isto_flyby_test
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- nprev   Europa Clipper Development   Sep 8 2018, 07:14 AM
- - vjkane   QUOTE (nprev @ Sep 8 2018, 12:14 AM) Dr. ...   Sep 8 2018, 02:56 PM
- - nprev   One thing that really caught my notice is that the...   Sep 9 2018, 02:36 AM
- - antipode   Oh dear, according to the latest PEN newsletter, t...   Mar 5 2019, 09:33 PM
- - nprev   Do you have a link to that, Antipode? Didn't f...   Mar 5 2019, 09:45 PM
- - antipode   PLANETARY EXPLORATION NEWSLETTER Volume 13, Number...   Mar 5 2019, 10:47 PM
|- - MahFL   QUOTE (antipode @ Mar 5 2019, 10:47 PM) P...   Mar 6 2019, 06:07 AM
- - nprev   Thank you. Bad news indeed. However, it does seem...   Mar 6 2019, 04:03 AM
- - Explorer1   Too bad; luckily, JUICE will definitely carry a ma...   Mar 6 2019, 05:17 AM
- - Bjorn Jonsson   I noticed that according to the PEN newsletter, a ...   Mar 6 2019, 09:05 PM
|- - JRehling   Since JUICE and EC will run concurrently, it would...   Mar 7 2019, 07:28 AM
- - Steve5304   This isn't Clipper. That's the Euro missio...   Mar 7 2019, 03:57 PM
|- - JRehling   The latest review of Europa Clipper and Europa Lan...   Jun 6 2019, 04:51 AM
|- - vjkane   QUOTE (JRehling @ Jun 5 2019, 08:51 PM) T...   Jun 8 2019, 03:01 AM
- - Jaro_in_Montreal   Yaay !! https://www.nasa.gov/feature/euro...   Aug 20 2019, 01:01 AM
- - Jaro_in_Montreal   BTW, I remember reading a detailed Europa Clipper ...   Aug 20 2019, 04:31 PM
|- - JRehling   Maybe this is the one you were thinking of? https...   Aug 21 2019, 02:41 AM
- - nprev   Panel discussion tomorrow (23 Oct 19) about Clippe...   Oct 23 2019, 06:23 AM
- - Explorer1   I didn't want to start a new topic in the book...   Apr 22 2021, 08:33 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Explorer1 @ Apr 22 2021, 12:33 PM)...   Apr 22 2021, 08:53 PM
|- - JRehling   Richard Greenberg's books about the science of...   Apr 23 2021, 12:12 AM
- - scalbers   Nice talk by Bob Pappalardo on Europa Clipper was ...   May 24 2021, 07:54 PM
- - volcanopele   Europa Clipper now has a launch vehicle: a SpaceX ...   Jul 23 2021, 08:45 PM
|- - stevesliva   QUOTE (volcanopele @ Jul 23 2021, 03:45 P...   Jul 26 2021, 04:29 AM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (stevesliva @ Jul 25 2021, 08:29 PM...   Jul 26 2021, 05:07 AM
- - Explorer1   $178 million is pocket change compared with S...   Jul 27 2021, 12:19 AM
|- - StargazeInWonder   This description of the Europa Clipper radar instr...   Feb 13 2022, 11:07 PM
- - scalbers   Live video stream of Europa Clipper assembly: htt...   Sep 22 2023, 09:47 PM
- - Steve G   Europa Clipper will be arriving in Jupiter orbit i...   Apr 17 2024, 12:22 AM
- - mcaplinger   https://ntrs.nasa.gov/citations/20160008162 is an ...   Apr 17 2024, 12:36 AM
- - volcanopele   I will note that the current tour SPICE kernel is ...   Apr 17 2024, 03:38 AM
- - StargazeInWonder   Here is a map that aggregates all of the ground tr...   Apr 17 2024, 02:04 PM
- - StargazeInWonder   To the point, I think, of Steve's question, I ...   Apr 19 2024, 04:48 PM


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