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post May 11 2007, 05:13 PM
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ASA Updates Plans for Hubble 'Ring Of Dark Matter' Briefing

GREENBELT, Md. - NASA will hold a media teleconference at 1 p.m. EDT on May 15 to discuss the strongest evidence to date that dark matter exists. This evidence was found in a ghostly ring of dark matter in the cluster CL0024+17, discovered using NASA's Hubble Space Telescope. The ring is the first detection of dark matter with a unique structure different from the distribution of both the galaxies and the hot gas in the cluster. The discovery will be featured in the June 20 issue of the Astrophysical Journal.
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post May 11 2007, 11:04 PM
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Colour me sceptical on this one -- which should be no surprise, given my stance on 'dark matter'. I do not know much about this latest claim, but I do know that there have been repeated claims of some observation 'proving' the existence of dark matter, which is invariably shown, a little later, to be equally explainable (and in fact, usually more easily explainable) without dark matter (usually under some form of MOND theory). A case in point is the most recent example before this one, the 'bullet cluster', which as you will recall was loudly trumpeted last November as 'proving' the existence of Dark Matter. Here are some results from later, more thorough analysis:

The Bullet Cluster 1E0657-558 evidence shows Modified Gravity in the absence of Dark Matter

A detailed analysis of the November 15, 2006 data release (Clowe et al., 2006) X-ray surface density Sigma-map and the strong and weak gravitational lensing convergence kappa-map for the Bullet Cluster 1E0657-558 is performed and the results are compared with the predictions of a modified gravity (MOG) and dark matter. Our surface density Sigma-model is computed using a King beta-model density, and a mass profile of the main cluster and an isothermal temperature profile are determined by the MOG. We find that the main cluster thermal profile is nearly isothermal. The MOG prediction of the isothermal temperature of the main cluster is T = 15.5 +- 3.9 keV, in good agreement with the experimental value T = 14.8{+2.0}{-1.7} keV. Excellent fits to the two-dimensional convergence kappa-map data are obtained without non-baryonic dark matter, accounting for the 8-sigma spatial offset between the Sigma-map and the kappa-map reported in Clowe et al. (2006). The MOG prediction for the kappa-map results in two baryonic components distributed across the Bullet Cluster 1E0657-558 with averaged mass-fraction of 83% intracluster medium (ICM) gas and 17% galaxies. Conversely, the Newtonian dark matter kappa-model has on average 76% dark matter (neglecting the indeterminant contribution due to the galaxies) and 24% ICM gas for a baryon to dark matter mass-fraction of 0.32, a statistically significant result when compared to the predicted Lambda-CDM cosmological baryon mass-fraction of 0.176{+0.019}{-0.012} (Spergel et al., 2006).

Timing and Lensing of the Colliding Bullet Clusters: barely enough time and gravity to accelerate the bullet

We present semi-analytical constraint on the amount of dark matter in the merging bullet galaxy cluster using the classical Local Group timing arguments. We consider particle orbits in potential models which fit the lensing data. {\it Marginally consistent} CDM models in Newtonian gravity are found with a total mass M_{CDM} = 1 x 10^{15}Msun of Cold DM: the bullet subhalo can move with V_{DM}=3000km/s, and the "bullet" X-ray gas can move with V_{gas}=4200km/s. These are nearly the {\it maximum speeds} that are accelerable by the gravity of two truncated CDM halos in a Hubble time even without the ram pressure. Consistency breaks down if one adopts higher end of the error bars for the bullet gas speed (5000-5400km/s), and the bullet gas would not be bound by the sub-cluster halo for the Hubble time. Models with V_{DM}~ 4500km/s ~ V_{gas} would invoke unrealistic large amount M_{CDM}=7x 10^{15}Msun of CDM for a cluster containing only ~ 10^{14}Msun of gas. Our results are generalisable beyond General Relativity, e.g., a speed of $4500\kms$ is easily obtained in the relativistic MONDian lensing model of Angus et al. (2007). However, MONDian model with little hot dark matter $M_{HDM} \le 0.6\times 10^{15}\msun$ and CDM model with a small halo mass $\le 1\times 10^{15}\msun$ are barely consistent with lensing and velocity data.

The collision velocity of the bullet cluster in conventional and modified dynamics

We consider the orbit of the bullet cluster 1E 0657-56 in both CDM and MOND using accurate mass models appropriate to each case in order to ascertain the maximum plausible collision velocity. Impact velocities consistent with the shock velocity (~ 4700km/s) occur naturally in MOND. CDM can generate collision velocities of at most ~ 3800km/s, and is only consistent with the data provided that the shock velocity has been substantially enhanced by hydrodynamical effects.

In other words, later analysis shows that MOND theories appear to fit the observations better than Dark Matter theories. This has happened again and again. How many times must this cycle repeat before Dark Matter is discarded as an implausible hypothesis?

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- PhilCo126   HST and 'dark matter'   May 11 2007, 05:13 PM
- - Littlebit   A dark matter ring? How/why would DM be corraled i...   May 11 2007, 05:35 PM
- - Mongo   Colour me sceptical on this one -- which should be...   May 11 2007, 11:04 PM
- - Tman   From the Hubble site http://hubblesite.org/newscen...   May 17 2007, 07:53 AM
- - Mongo   The wedding ring of MOND and non-exotic dark matte...   Jun 12 2007, 01:41 AM
- - nprev   I'm with you, man. Dark matter has always been...   Jun 12 2007, 03:46 AM
|- - dvandorn   QUOTE (nprev @ Jun 11 2007, 10:46 PM) ......   Jun 12 2007, 04:22 AM
- - Mongo   Using globular clusters to test gravity in the wea...   Jul 18 2007, 01:11 PM
- - nprev   MOND + neutrino mass is looking more and more plau...   Jul 18 2007, 02:40 PM
- - Mongo   Sorry to resurrect this long-dead thread, but a pa...   Mar 11 2010, 03:36 AM
- - Explorer1   So in layman's terms, this is a potential ...   Mar 11 2010, 04:46 AM
|- - Greg Hullender   QUOTE (Explorer1 @ Mar 10 2010, 08:46 PM)...   Mar 11 2010, 05:00 AM
- - Mongo   Just to give a taste of how (some) physicists are ...   Mar 11 2010, 05:42 AM
- - Mongo   Part 2 of 2 Modified gravity emerging from thermo...   Mar 11 2010, 05:46 AM
- - nprev   There's definitely a deterministic flavor to t...   Mar 11 2010, 05:47 AM
- - stevesliva   I find it interesting that physicists have been co...   Mar 11 2010, 05:08 PM
- - Mongo   From Inertia Theory -- Paul Davies: QUOTE Fill a ...   Mar 11 2010, 05:37 PM
- - djellison   Is it just me, or is this a catastrophically screw...   Mar 11 2010, 05:47 PM
|- - Mongo   That was my first thought too, but how does the wa...   Mar 11 2010, 06:04 PM
|- - stevesliva   QUOTE (Mongo @ Mar 11 2010, 01:04 PM) Ine...   Mar 11 2010, 07:13 PM
- - djellison   So it'snot a question about a bucket at all, i...   Mar 11 2010, 06:25 PM
|- - centsworth_II   QUOTE (djellison @ Mar 11 2010, 01:25 PM)...   Mar 11 2010, 06:46 PM
|- - Greg Hullender   QUOTE (djellison @ Mar 11 2010, 10:25 AM)...   Mar 11 2010, 10:25 PM
|- - Marz   QUOTE (Greg Hullender @ Mar 11 2010, 04:2...   Mar 11 2010, 10:56 PM
|- - Mongo   QUOTE (Marz @ Mar 11 2010, 11:56 PM) Mean...   Mar 12 2010, 12:27 AM
|- - AndyG   QUOTE (Marz @ Mar 11 2010, 10:56 PM) lol ...   Mar 12 2010, 11:05 AM
- - Shaka   If Earth were in an otherwise empty Universe, why ...   Mar 11 2010, 06:47 PM
- - Mongo   The following is just my own understanding of what...   Mar 11 2010, 07:30 PM
- - monty python   I'm really loving this thread, but for some re...   Mar 12 2010, 06:58 AM
- - SteveM   I've noticed that none of the arXiv papers are...   Apr 4 2010, 02:13 PM
- - Floyd   Mongo "As the example stated, if the Earth we...   Apr 4 2010, 03:38 PM
- - Greg Hullender   That begs the question, Floyd. --Greg   Apr 4 2010, 04:23 PM
- - stevesliva   The NY Times covers Verlinde, and does the newspap...   Jul 13 2010, 12:46 AM
|- - AndyG   QUOTE (stevesliva @ Jul 13 2010, 01:46 AM...   Jul 13 2010, 12:08 PM
- - nprev   No, it's not. But I liked the cartoon.   Jul 13 2010, 01:54 AM
- - Hungry4info   If I'm not mistaken, "order", in ref...   Jul 13 2010, 01:41 PM
|- - Juramike   Entropy would be maximum for an evenly diffused bu...   Jul 13 2010, 01:55 PM
- - Greg Hullender   Mike: if any of the separated atoms/particles can ...   Jul 13 2010, 02:17 PM
|- - Juramike   Full inline quote removed - Mike, you should know ...   Jul 13 2010, 03:05 PM
- - Greg Hullender   Which means the maximum entropy ought to be when a...   Jul 13 2010, 08:04 PM
- - stevesliva   Experiments would seem to indicate gravity is not ...   Aug 24 2011, 10:57 PM
- - nprev   Actually, seems that interpretation of the theorie...   Aug 25 2011, 12:18 AM
- - Mongo   This paper just came out on arXiv, in response to ...   Sep 14 2011, 12:56 AM
- - Mongo   No surprise at all to me. Maybe now the Dark Matt...   Apr 19 2012, 10:37 PM
- - Mongo   Dark Matter gone missing in many places: a crisis ...   Apr 20 2012, 03:51 PM
- - Mongo   Beating an increasingly dead horse here: Vast Str...   Apr 25 2012, 09:26 PM
- - stevesliva   Does make you wonder if "dark matter" wi...   Apr 26 2012, 02:33 AM
- - Mongo   The Bullet Cluster as Evidence against Dark Matter...   Jan 27 2017, 08:31 PM
- - Gerald   I'd think, the vast majority of astrophysicist...   Jan 28 2017, 03:44 AM
- - fredk   I agree with Gerald. I'm familiar with the bl...   Jan 28 2017, 06:24 AM


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