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Posted by: Stu Jul 19 2007, 08:03 PM

( Hope people won't mind me being a bit flowery here, I've been writing this up on my blog and it set me thinking... I hope it'll at least inspire a few of the more senior members to share their memories with us young 'uns...! )

On July 20th 1969 the lunar module "Eagle" landed in the Sea of Tranquility, that's 38 years ago tomorrow, which means it's almost 40 years since Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin landed on the Moon, established "Tranquility Base", and changed the history and destiny of Mankind forever by leaving the pressurised safety of their lunar module and stepping out into the airless void of a lunar day, to stand on the cratered, dusty Moon at the triumphant climax of the Apollo 11 mission.

Oh yes, I remember it well...

Actually, I'm not sure I do. And it's really, really bugging me.

I was born in 1965, which means I would have been the grand old age of 4 1/2 on the day Eagle landed. Old enough to watch the TV coverage, certainly, but to actually remember it? Hmmm. Over the years I've always told people that one of my earliest memories is of watching "the Moon landing", I suppose as some kind of proof that I've been "into" this space stuff all my life, but now I can't help wondering if I've just seen the TV footage so many times, in films and on TV history programs, and on space DVDs and videos that I've just convinced myself I saw it "live" when really I was tucked up in bed, fast asleep, as any sane 4.5 yr old terran child would have been. I asked my mum if I saw it, and she can't remember; she confirmed that yes, I was a space cadet even then, but she's not sure if I saw it live or if I saw it on a TV news programme later in the day, which doesn't really help...

I wish I knew if I saw the landing live, or not. But what can I do? I guess it's just one of those things that's going to bug the hell out of me forever.

But my lack of 100% certainty about seeing the landing live doesn't change the fact that tomorrow is the anniversary of one of history's most incredible events, an event which has been hailed many times as a turning or defining point in human history. And rightly so. When Armstrong stepped off Eagle's landing leg pad, swung his leg over the side and planted his boot into the grey lunar dust That Was It. No longer were we a one planet species, we'd travelled to the Moon - the Moon! - and walked on it. On that night, people were able to look up at theMoon shining in the sky and for the First Time Ever see it as a place where people had been, for real. The Moon wasn't just a mottled, round lantern in the sky any more, but a real place, a world, ripe for exploration and exploitation. I've watched the documentaries and films so I know what the mood was like back then: we - people, men and women, Mankind - thought we could do anything. If we could conquer the Moon, well, Mars was next, and by the time people had conquered Mars "normal people" would be holidaying in space, walking on the Moon themselves, living in huge ring-shaped space stations, wearing silver space clothing and eating whole meals in a single pill!

Of course, it didn't quite turn out that way. After reaching the Moon half a dozen times we fled home again, tail between our legs, and hid from the universe. It was as if the first cave dwellers had staggered to the cave mouth, looked outside, seen the sunlit lands beyond and thought "Naah, can't be bothered..." and shuffled back inside into the damp and the shadows again.

As Tasmin Archer sang in her wonderful song "Sleeping Satellite"...

Did we fly to the moon too soon?

Did we squander the chance?

In the rush of the race

in the reason we chase is lost in romance

and still we try

to justify the waste

for a taste of mans greatest adventure.


But that's a rather unkind view, and certainly Man's Retreat From The Moon wasn't the fault of the brave Apollo astronauts who rode those mighty Saturn 5's into space and clung onto them, like dragon riders, as they thundered to the Moon. Their achievements can't be downplayed or underestimated. Their heroism and bravery can't be dismissed, however un-PC it might to have those traits now. For a brief, golden time, a shining Camelot time, the world really was united in one common noble goal - to land a man on the Moon and return him safely to the Earth again. And when Armstrong stepped off the lunar module's foot, 38 years ago tomorrow, and spoke those immortal words... "That's one small step for man, one giant leap for Mankind"... he truly was the first Ambassador from the troubled, troublesome Earth.

But I don't know if I saw it on my family TV as it happened, or later, once I woke, once Armstrong and Aldrin were safely back inside the LEM, once the world had turned on its axis some ways, and after History had moved already on.

If you were lucky enough to see the Moon landing live, and remember it clearly well, I envy you, I really do. What an amazing thing that must have been, to sit watching a flickering TV screen as thefirst human being to set foot on another world hopped down a ladder and stepped out onto the dust and into the infinity of the future. If you're not old enough to remember it, but want to know what it was like, then I urge you to watch the start of the amazing film "Apollo 13"... or the DVD box set of "FROM THE EARTH TO THE MOON" - no, not just the "Apollo 11" episode but the whole series, because every moment of that HBO special is magnificent in countless ways, watching it is like travelling back in time, trust me. Or you could go to the library and hire one of the NASA DVDs or videos from its reference section, and watch the TV footage that way. If you live near an IMAX cinema, and if it's showing, go see "DESTINATION: MOON" the 3D film created to recreate the Apollo landings. I watched it with tears streaming down my face, it moved, and inspired and enraged me so much all at the same time. Whatever you do, just find a way to live - or re-live - those amazing, titanic moments as best you can. You won't be sorry.

I have grown up believing I watched the Moon landing live, picturing myself as a 4 and a half year old sitting in his warm pyjamas in front of the big 1969 TV set, yawning, fighting to stay awake, desperate to See It... but I don't know if I did. Now, sitting here, I wonder if, after all the years of expectation, I'll actually live long enough to see the first man or woman set foot on Mars. I've always thought I would, but I'm 42 now, and with the first manned mission to Mars no nearer than 2030 that means I'll be 65 on Landing Day... possible, but not guaranteed. I might miss it, I really might. That would be heartbreaking.

Many kids I talk to in schools today during my Outreach work don't believe it actually happened, they have fallen for the "We never went to the Moon" conspiracy theories, which is heartbreaking in a different way entirely. Other kids simply think of the Moon landings as some faraway historical event, as relevent to their iPod and Myspace generation as the Battle of Hastings or the signing of the Magna Carta. Which is a great, great shame.

... but none of that self-indulgent whining changes the fact that 38 years ago tomorrow human beings walked on the surface of another world for the very first time. So, rejoice in that, remember it if you can, and if you can't then look up at the Moon on the next clear night and think how amazing, how incredible it is that once, a long time ago, people from Earth stood on the Moon and looked back.

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Posted by: ElkGroveDan Jul 19 2007, 08:14 PM

I was 8 years old, living in the North American East Coast time zone. As I recall the landing was in the afternoon, and the actual walk was going to be in the middle of the night. I vividly remember the landing, but drifted off to sleep during the seemingly endless wait for the walk on the lunar surface to take place.

It was a great time to be a kid. I can recall throughout the whole Apollo program having TVs wheeled in the classrooms during school hours for various launches and other events. I used to be able to draw the entire Saturn five and all of its components and stages and even make notations of the thrust of each stage and burn durations.

Posted by: climber Jul 19 2007, 09:10 PM

...and my 2nd grandchild was born today smile.gif

Posted by: climber Jul 19 2007, 09:39 PM

Now let me try my own.
When it happened I envyied so much the astronauts that I thought : "I'm may be not the first on the Moon but I still can be one day the last living man to have watched it LIVE"...I'm kind of optimistic, don't you think?
Everything REALY started with the launch of Apollo 8 for me : I sew it live from home. I was nearly 15. I started then to read, read & read so I was preapared for Apollo 11 which I still remember very well. I sew the launch and all the steps up to the moon. Then, it was around 7-8 pm in France, I listened the landing on TV since NO live images were taken...and then, it was a veeeeeeeeeery long wait since we didn't know for sure when they will set foot upon the Moon. My parents went to bed and I promised to my brother to wake him up. They were changing time all the time but I didn't slept! I went outside, back in front of the TV, listen radio, back outside, etc, etc. THEN IT WAS TIME. I waked up my brother who sat before the TV but didn't sew that much, falling asleep all the time.
Then finaly, here HE was! Just impossible to understand what I was watching because nobody was peapared to see what we were seing. When I see the images now, they seams to have been re-processed as compared to my memories.
We had commentaries in French so, I more or less understood what was going on. The 2 + hours they staid there were VEEERY long since it was 4 to 6 in the morning not having slept at all. I remember having to go outside, walk... to avoid falling asleep. I sew it ALL.
Then, when they came back to the Eagle, I went to bed exhausted but with dreams in my mind. I realy realized LIVE that it was one of the greatest moment of Humanity but it's always when the action fade up that you REALY understand what it has been.
I understand now, that here, in UMSF, there are not so many of us that can clearly remember this, that can talk about what they realy felt at this moment been confident that the memories has staid close to the reality and has not changed to much. What I can say is : I never watched the whole thing again since. Not yet.
Cheers my friends

Posted by: David Jul 20 2007, 12:07 AM

Since this is UMSF, I feel obliged to mention that... the robots got there first! laugh.gif

On February 3, 1966, the Soviet probe Luna 9 made the first successful soft landing on the Moon -- indeed, the first on any Solar System object other than the Earth -- making it the forerunner not just of the manned Moon landers but of all subsequent planetary landers, including Venera, Viking, Pathfinder, Huygens and our very own MERs. It was also the first probe to send back surface pictures from another world.

Luna 9 was followed on April 30 by the American probe Surveyor 1; then came Luna 13 and Surveyors 3, 5, 6 and 7, all before the Eagle landed on the Moon.

Posted by: dvandorn Jul 20 2007, 05:17 AM

I not only remember, very clearly (I was 13.5 y.o. at the time) the first manned lunar landing, I can remember Ranger IX's death plunge into the Moon. The image output from one of the cameras was played out to the TV networks (and hence the very first use of the subtitle "Live from the Moon" on any television broadcast).

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-the other Doug

Posted by: Bill Harris Jul 20 2007, 05:54 AM

July, 1969 I was a sophomore in college, taking some of the liberal-arts non-science to get them out of the way. We had a brand-new dormatory, "New Men's Dorm" and it had a nice TV lounge in the basement floor. Decently large TV, although I don't recall if it was B&W or color. I, and perhaps a dozen other students, remained glued to the TV for the approach, landing and EVA. And was mesmerized by Cronkite and Jules Bergman.

--Bill

Posted by: edstrick Jul 20 2007, 06:29 AM

"...Soviet probe Luna 9 made the first successful soft landing on the Moon ..."

From the pedantic nit-picking department.. Luna 9 made a successful hard landing.... THUD!.....bounce... roll.... Surveyor 1 made a truely soft landing. But what counted was Luna 9 survived and sent back pics.

For Apollo 11, I had the old (1956) family Pentron reel-to-reel tape recorder hooked up with alligator clips to the TV's (Color... we got our first one in time for Apollo 8) and recorded selected large chunks of audio, critical mission events nonstop, mostly from CBS with Walter Cronkite. Dad's old Leica 3c was on a tripod with 35mm agfacrhrome slide film in it. The Pentron died during the mission and I was able to substitute my brother's AIWA briefcase-shaped portable reel-to-reel to continue recording. I've still got the tapes and slides.

My Dad's dad.. his parents were living with us watched with us.. he was 90 at the time. Definately boggled at the event.

Mom and Dad were in Scotland, doing their "GREAT EUROPEAN VACATION" of a lifetime. When the pub owner learned that dad was the manager of a department in a rocket division of Bell Aerospace and had worked on Apollo, he had drinks on the house.. AT A SCOTTISH PUB!.

Posted by: Tesheiner Jul 20 2007, 06:36 AM

I have quite similar memories as you Stu 'cause I was born on 1965 too. smile.gif
Old enough to remember seeing the moon launches / landings on TV, too young to realize the real impact of what I was seeing

Posted by: monty python Jul 20 2007, 06:37 AM

I was 11 years old living near Chicago. My family huddled around a black and white tv, watching Walter Chronkite (who else) and I believe Wally Shirra do comentary. I was scared listening to the static filled com watching the animation of decent with a countdown clock below. This got worse when the clock reached zero and the animated LEM landed but Armstrong was still flying over a boulder field looking for a place to put down. Then they landed and Chronkite lost it- tears welling up. I tried to hide it but I did the same. I took some Polaroid pictures of the screen (fading now) which I still cherish.

If anyone doubts that the thing actually happened, go visit all the many remarkable (remaining) facilities built for the project, and skim the voluminous and detailed nasa tech journals in library repositories. If they didn't do it they spent enough money and did enough research to actually have done it!

Thank you very much for this thread.

Posted by: djellison Jul 20 2007, 07:02 AM

Two idiotically childish posts have been removed from this thread. They know who they are. If you want to have a pathetic argument - do it somewhere else.

Doug

Posted by: Harkeppler Jul 20 2007, 07:52 AM

Besides the grand task of landing on the moon, the construction, static tests of the huge Saturn V and the first flights (with some problems, but without one carrier lost) were performed unbelievable fast - compared to minor tasks today. The whole calculation was done with some huge electronic calculators (each desktop pc has more abilities today) and slide rulers.

Administration was around one tenth of the overall personal at that time.

That could be compared to some manned spaceflight project like the European Hermes and Sänger of the 80ies and 90ies.

Today, a large administration pile-ups seem to be necessary without a lot of manned flights.

At Cape Kennedy there was a traffic light installed for platform 39A, B and C (the last one was never completed) giving advices if there was fueling in process or launch scheduled.

I think this was the one and only traffic light in spaceflight. It looked very funny.

Harkeppler

Posted by: AndyG Jul 20 2007, 08:22 AM

Hi Stu!

The moonwalk started at about 4am, UK summertime. I know that I, aged six-and-a-half, didn't see that: but I do recall my Dad bounding up the stairs and into my room (naturally decked with Apollo 8 photos and an Airfix Saturn V) to tell me that the landing was a success - I must have fallen asleep during the deorbit part of the mission and been packed off to bed. Landing was at 9.17 UK summertime.

38 years ago. Half Armstrong's life away. Crikey.

Andy

Posted by: DDAVIS Jul 20 2007, 11:45 AM

In what will hopefully be the start of a wide update of my site, I have added my yearly commentary on Apollo 11, what it meant, and what may happen.

http://www.donaldedavis.com/PARTS/Apollo30.html

-Don

Posted by: MahFL Jul 20 2007, 04:12 PM

I was 6 1/2, I would have normally been in bed by 7:30 pm at that age, I stayed awake for both the landing and Armstrongs walk on the moon. It was as others mentioned really late at night in the UK.
My father in law worked on the Saturn V main engines, and on the SSME too, at the Stennis Space Center.

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Posted by: gndonald Jul 20 2007, 04:58 PM

By the time I was born (September 1973) it was all over, I was too young to appreciate Skylab (until it fell on my home state) and the ASTP passed without my notice. For me space exploration was pictures on a page, at least until Voyager went past Saturn...

But the more I learn of Apollo, the more I regret what happened and I can only hope that the next US election does not kill off the current project before it can even get started.

I know who to blame, but sadly I will never be able to ask 'why?' and I'm not sure I could accept the answers even if I was...

Posted by: Phil Stooke Jul 20 2007, 05:46 PM

I was 17... interested in space before, in a childish way, but Apollo 8 really got me back into it. I sat up all night, in the UK, following the landing, then the EVA late in the night. Patrick Moore (of course) was one of the commentators. After the EVA, they replayed the whole thing again. Then it was off to the local paper shop to buy a copy of every newspaper.

A few months later the Times Atlas of the Moon was published. I saw that its maps were made by the U. S. Air Force, so I ordered the whole set of LACs, and AICs, and RLCs (Ranger lunar charts) from the good old US Government Printing Office, and papered my room with them. And that got me going on lunar and planetary cartography. Now I have over 3000 maps.

PS for any UMSFers close to London Ontario, I have just set up a display in our Map Library, of Mars mapping in the Space Age - from the MEC-1 Prototype map made by the US Air Force for Mariner 3/4 planning, up to the latest Mars Express maps. Drop by and see it!

Phil

Posted by: Greg Hullender Jul 20 2007, 09:20 PM

Stu: I was 10, and already enough of a space fanatic that I was used to "explaining" things to adults (like what the LEM was). I remember very well "watching" the landing (which really meant listening to it while watching a marionette of the LEM on TV). Best clue that something was wrong with the landing was that the marionette had set down but CAPCOM was still talking. I still get chills when I remember hearing "Tranquility base here, the Eagle has landed."

That was a bright summer afternoon in Chattanooga, so it'd have been evening in the UK. I can well believe you saw this and remember it.

The moonwalk, though, was around 11PM that night. It kept getting delayed, and every 15 minutes I had to argue with my father to let me continue to stay up for it. (In hindsight, I think he was just teasing me.) I remember trying to hide my disappointment at the low quality of the video AND at the inane first words. "That's one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind." All the adults instantly concluded that the poor man simply blew his lines. I've heard lots of arguments since that he somehow "really" said "a man," but I know what *I* heard -- me and a billion other people, and it really did "damage" the experience for me.

Anyway, in the UK, that would have been 4 AM or so. It defies belief that your folks let a 4-1/2-year-old stay up that late AND that a 4-1/2-year-old actually COULD stay up for it. Accordingly, I'd wager that you saw the TV coverage of the landing, but were fast asleep when the moonwalk itself occurred.

One last personal note: because the launch was delayed (landing was supposed to be July 4, of course), it happened the night before I went to summer camp, so I saw nothing else about the trip until I got back a couple of weeks later. All the other events in the mission I'd meant to follow closely I ended up reading about after the fact.

--Greg

Posted by: Stu Jul 20 2007, 09:34 PM

QUOTE (Greg Hullender @ Jul 20 2007, 10:20 PM) *
Anyway, in the UK, that would have been 4 AM or so. It defies belief that your folks let a 4-1/2-year-old stay up that late AND that a 4-1/2-year-old actually COULD stay up for it.


True, it would seem to defy belief, but my mum loved me lots, and knew even then that I was a space cadet, so although it's v unlikely I "stayed up", it's possible that I was woken and taken down to the TV to watch biggrin.gif I actually asked my mum about this the other day and she said she couldn't remember (well, that cleared that up, thanks a lot mum! blink.gif ) so either 1) her memory's still as bad as it was the year I told her I wanted Wonder Woman (the real one, not an action figure) for Christmas and didn't get her, or 2) I didn't see it 'live' and she's just trying to not hurt my feelings... wink.gif

Posted by: NoVi Jul 20 2007, 09:43 PM

QUOTE
But that's a rather unkind view, and certainly Man's Retreat From The Moon wasn't the fault of the brave Apollo astronauts who rode those mighty Saturn 5's into space and clung onto them, like dragon riders, as they thundered to the Moon. Their achievements can't be downplayed or underestimated. Their heroism and bravery can't be dismissed, however un-PC it might to have those traits now. For a brief, golden time, a shining Camelot time, the world really was united in one common noble goal - to land a man on the Moon and return him safely to the Earth again. And when Armstrong stepped off the lunar module's foot, 38 years ago tomorrow, and spoke those immortal words... "That's one small step for man, one giant leap for Mankind"... he truly was the first Ambassador from the troubled, troublesome Earth.


Nicely put, it was also an extra ordinary event in relation to the technology available at that time. Something you dig in retrospective, at that time you didn't really notice it, it just kind of happened that space travelling and the bar was raised with practically each mission...

To capture the atmosphere from that time I created a few months back a song and an accompanying video:

http://www.youtube.com/v/aavm6X9xg1Q

Posted by: Phil Stooke Jul 20 2007, 10:05 PM

Greg said: "One last personal note: because the launch was delayed (landing was supposed to be July 4, of course)... "

Oops! That was Viking 1, Greg. Apollo 11 could not possibly have landed on July 4, when the lunar phase was nearly the exact opposite of what was needed for an Apollo landing.

Phil

Posted by: ElkGroveDan Jul 20 2007, 10:08 PM

QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Jul 20 2007, 02:05 PM) *
Greg said: "One last personal note: because the launch was delayed (landing was supposed to be July 4, of course)... "

Oops! That was Viking 1, Greg.


...and Pathfinder

Posted by: climber Jul 20 2007, 11:03 PM

QUOTE(Phil Stooke @ Jul 20 2007, 02:05 PM)
Greg said: "One last personal note: because the launch was delayed (landing was supposed to be July 4, of course)... "
Oops! That was Viking 1, Greg.

ElkGrooveDan
...and Pathfinder

Only "Martians" hit Earth on Independance Day biggrin.gif

Posted by: dvandorn Jul 20 2007, 11:32 PM

QUOTE (edstrick @ Jul 20 2007, 01:29 AM) *
My Dad's dad.. his parents were living with us watched with us.. he was 90 at the time. Definately boggled at the event.

My Mom's folks (my grandparents) were visiting our family that day. They had arrived on Saturday and stayed through Monday. (My Mom is one of eight siblings, and it was common back then for my grandparents to make the rounds of their kids' places during the summer, seeing as many as possible and staying a few days at each place.)

I can recall many very vivid things. For example, since my grandparents were there, my folks stocked up on various types of soda we usually didn't have in the house, including ginger ale. I drank a couple of ginger ales that afternoon, and discovered for the first time that my esophagus doesn't get along at *all* well with ginger ale. At the time Eagle touched down, I had a tremendously bad case of heartburn.

My brother, a couple of years older than I, was in high school already (in the summer between his sophomore and junior years), while I was looking forward to entering high school the following September. He worked on the school newspaper during the school year (as I would go on to do, as well), and he arranged with the journalism teacher to borrow one of the school's Yashica-Mat twin-lens reflex cameras. He set up that camera and took a roll of black-and-white pictures of the EVA from the TV screen. For all subsequent landings which featured extensive TV coverage of the EVAs (specifically, Apollos 14-17), I took over that function, borrowing the same Yashica for the purpose as my brother had used. (Unfortunately, the prints and negatives were lost when my vindictive ex-wife destroyed them in spite when we separated.)

On Sunday afternoon, July 20, 1969, I was very aware of the timing of the various mission phases. I knew that PDI was scheduled to begin just after 3 p.m. Central Daylight Time, aiming toward a landing at roughly 3:15. At the time the PDI burn began, I was in my Dad's car as he ran in to the local drugstore to pick up film for my brother's attempt to shoot the EVA later that night. I was vehement that he get us home in negative elapsed time, as I recall.

I can recall that I was determined not to sleep Sunday night, saying to myself that it was simply impossible for me to spend any time whatsoever unconscious while humans were actually on the Moon. I didn't make it, I slept for about four hours beginning at around 6 a.m. I was up and awake in time for the liftoff and rendezvous, of course.

Finally, I remember one last thing. My Dad was a bombardier on a B-17 during WWII. He had a private pilot's license (though we weren't wealthy enough for him to buy the Beechcraft Bonanza he always desired). He took only a minor interest in space exploration, more of a pilot's interest than anything else, but as we settled into our chairs and couches on that hot Sunday evening, in our darkened family room, watching the round-tube color TV we had bought only three years before, I remember my Dad taking in the family scene around him, hugging my Mom, and saying to no one in particular, "This is history. This is it, the real thing. Really something."

As Armstrong set foot upon the lunar surface, even while I paid careful attention to what he said and what the poor TV image showed... I thrilled. I rejoiced. My sense of wonder expanded until I felt that I must be as large as the Universe itself. I felt what it must be like to be one of a race of gods.

My life has been downhill, pretty much, from that time on... *sigh*...

-the other Doug

Posted by: David Jul 20 2007, 11:45 PM

I expect the movie will have been mentioned before, but it was nice to see http://www.apple.com/trailers/thinkfilm/intheshadowofthemoon/trailer/ out in time for the anniversary.

It's nice to see that the old film prints have survived so well.

Posted by: dvandorn Jul 21 2007, 07:11 AM

You know, being 13 at the time of the first manned lunar landing had its plusses and minuses. On the plus side, I was old enough to have been highly aware of what was going on. Heck, even at that point, I knew more about the Apollo spacecraft and operations than most anyone else my age, and more than some people who worked in the program. I have very clear (and cherished) memories of mankind's first hesitant steps into what we used to call "outer space," going back to Mercury shots.

On the minus side, witnessing such events at such a young age set up a whole slew of expectations that led to a whole slew of disappointments. Heck, even in the short term, the shadowy, low-resolution TV images from Tranquility Base, while exciting, were a little disappointing in their quality. When Apollo 12 was cleared for the higher-resolution color camera, I was excited, and I really enjoyed the down-the-ladder activities. But the loss of the camera after only a fleeting glimpse of the LM sitting on the surface was a disappointment.

So, I then looked forward to Apollo 13, wanting to once again see new vistas play out live in my living room. It had been 9 months since I had last been able to watch a full moonwalk, I was getting impatient to see another one! And then, of course, 13's landing was aborted and the following missions delayed. Quite disappointed, once again.

Which brings us to Apollo 14. I was so worked up by February of 1971, a full nineteen months since I had been able to watch a moonwalk, that I could barely think straight by the time Antares landed. I was finally rewarded with another high-quality down-the-ladder sequence (though unaccountably marred by video blooming of the bright soil beyond the LM's shadow) which showed unprecedented detail in the suits and LM structures -- while the camera was sitting in the shadows. As soon as it was deployed out into the sunlt surface and was pointed at a brightly lit scene, everything bloomed horribly and the moonwalk for which I had been waiting for more than a year and a half consisted of white blobs bobbing around a bright featureless scene with a big gold-and-silver blob sitting behind them. The image quality improved a little for the second EVA, but for most of that EVA the crew was out of sight of the TV camera. For as much as I was looking forward to these moonwalks, the TV coverage was, well, disappointing. I think the scene would have been better documented had they disconnected that lousy color camera and hooked up the duplicate of the Apollo 11 B&W camera they brought as a backup. It would have been shadowy and motion-smeared, but the resolution would have been quite a bit better.

And then the gods smiled down, and Apollo 15 happened. The quality of the TV was incredible, approaching studio-quality at times. The down-the-ladder stuff was amazing, and was followed by an even more amazing sequence of LRV deployment and loading. I was very pleased with the quality, and looked forward to seeing similar excellent scenes of ladder descents and LRV deployments on the final two missions...

Which is where the final disappointments came in. While the quality of the TV improved on each of the following two missions, on each I was denied the down-the-ladder and LRV deployment sequences. On Apollo 16, the LM's high-gain antenna didn't work (someone left a binding tape on the antenna, so it was unable to move in yaw and was therefore useless on the surface) and they could simply not pump enough signal through the omni antennae to get a usable TV picture down. Once deployed on the rover, the TV worked outstandingly, and I was not disappointed with the rest of the coverage. But the lack of the opening sequences left me feeling like the experience was incomplete.

And then came 17 -- and the ::bad word:: engineers decided they really didn't need TV coverage of the ladder descent or LRV deployment, so they saved a little weight by pulling the wiring and TV tripod out of the LM and thereby deleted the capability to send TV from the surface until the rover was deployed. Once again, the rest of the coverage was fine (although it was difficult to see much of it, since the moonwalks were held in prime time here in the U.S. and the networks decided no one wanted to see their regular programming interrupted by sharp, clear color TV scenes of people working on the Moon). But I was indeed disappointed that, after Apollo 15, we never again were treated to watching the ladder descents or the LRV deploys.

So, after all of this, I settled in and waited for a Shuttle-launched lunar exploration program to be developed. I figured you could launch a TLI stage in pieces on two or three orbiters and a seperately-launched propulsion stage (probably developed from Saturn technology). I figured that I would have to wait maybe a dozen years before I could once again revel in watching humans exploring the Moon, but that it would be worth it if the quality of the TV coverage of the scene was improved by advances in the technology.

So, I waited.

I'm still waiting...

-the other Doug

Posted by: ollopa Jul 21 2007, 02:01 PM

Very slightly OT: Can any UMSF code-breakers help me with a technical question? I'd like to chill out on nostalgia this afternoon using the LPI's fab Apollo Image Atlas. Is there some clever way of turning the slideshow feature into a kind of screensaver, so that the images display full screen? It's v. cool already, but it'd be perfect full-throttle

www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/slideshow/70mm/

Posted by: climber Jul 21 2007, 04:40 PM

ODoug and All,

I share most of what you say here. I clearly remember when the Apollo 12 camera suddently sent a black image! Then for Apollo 13, every hour, between two courses, I listened what was going on. I also remember the "not so good" images from 14th and then the beauty of Apollo 15 (even if frustated by the lack of images of the Standing EVA) : this has been the best of all for me, the first BIG adventure away from the LEM.
Nevertheless, as the topic is Apollo 11, every July 20th are special to me now, as are October 4th. Unfornutaly, I'm not wondering of the day of next landing but of the year instead sad.gif

Posted by: Stu Jul 21 2007, 05:50 PM

QUOTE (dvandorn @ Jul 21 2007, 08:11 AM) *
So, I waited.

I'm still waiting...

-the other Doug


Me too... sad.gif I grew up confidently expecting that when I was this age I'd be regularly watching tv reports from "the Moon base" and seeing great pictures of modern day astronauts posing beside the descent stage of Eagle, standing in reverent silence, honouring those who went before them... and I was so sure I'd be seeing people exploring Mars by now, too; every space book I read, every science prog I watched on TV (shouldn't have trusted Tomorrow's World tho, not after they told me how CDs would last 'forever' and how we'd all be working in a 'paperless office' by 2000...) and even the "Mission to Mars" card in my PG Tips "The Race Into Space"* booklet told me that people would reach the Red Planet by the late 80s or early 90s.

They all lied to me. Even Maggie Philbin. mad.gif

Now - without getting all political and potentially banny here - I'm really not sure I'm going to be around when the first men and women set foot on Mars, not with the way things are going. And that's very depressing. sad.gif sad.gif

* Many happy memories for Brit members here, I'm sure... "http://www.whom.co.uk/squelch/racespace.htm"

Posted by: climber Jul 21 2007, 07:02 PM

QUOTE (Stu @ Jul 21 2007, 07:50 PM) *
Now - without getting all political and potentially banny here - I'm really not sure I'm going to be around when the first men and women set foot on Mars, not with the way things are going. And that's very depressing. sad.gif sad.gif

Stu,
Nasa decided to follow the water...and they found it.
Let's Phoenix and/or MSL find life present or ancient ... and you'll see that we'll be there earlier than you imagine now smile.gif

Posted by: Stu Jul 21 2007, 07:16 PM

QUOTE (climber @ Jul 21 2007, 08:02 PM) *
Let's Phoenix and/or MSL find life present or ancient ... and you'll see that we'll be there earlier than you imagine now smile.gif


Yep, that's what I'm pinning my hopes on now, that one of our in-the-not-too-distant-future rovers or landers finds wee martian critters and that kick-starts a manned program. But there are so many variables in that future equation, so many unknowns, so many pressures coming from so many sides... unsure.gif

Anyway, onwards and upwards eh? smile.gif

Posted by: MouseOnMars Jul 22 2007, 01:19 AM

QUOTE (dvandorn @ Jul 21 2007, 12:32 AM) *
I felt what it must be like to be one of a race of gods.

My life has been downhill, pretty much, from that time on... *sigh*...

-the other Doug


"To speak without fear,
human beings are above the gods of heaven,
or at least their equal -
for the gods will never pass
their celestial boundaries
and descend to Earth,
but a man may ascend to heaven,
and what is more,
he may do so without leaving Earth,"

The Hermetica, the Lost Wisdom of the Pharaohs, Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy

My first contact with any kind of space program was the Apollo-Soyuz Test Project in 1975. I was 5 and still have the pic from the paper, that I drew my spaceship on ( http://www.divshare.com/img/1334935-a00.jpg ).

I think we still live in a world that is discovering the moon landings. It's easy to think it's all been forgotten, what with hoax accusations and the cynicism. It's such a huge act on such a massive canvas that it reminds me of the Voyager episode "In the Blink of An Eye".

I just loaded the new Midnight Mars Browser yesterday, that has a new 3D MER mode, complete with a model of the rover from which you can pan around the environment. Almost "telepresence", although not live telepresence of course. So, actually the experience that the Armchair astronaut was seeking in the early seventies is actually very good, we just don't have many astronauts up there.

mouseonmars

Posted by: edstrick Jul 22 2007, 08:01 AM

grins at Phil... "RLCs (Ranger lunar charts)"... I got a few of the ACIC charts, as I could afford them... and the Ranger 9 chart set.. had them on my college dorm room door. ... I looked and looked at them, and recognized instinctively except for the first and last maps.. the terrain was self-similar at all intermediate scales... I recognized them as a fractal, without knowing what a fractal was, maybe before Mandelbrot invented the term.

Posted by: PhilCo126 Jan 15 2008, 06:14 PM

Apollo 11
Belgian involvement in this new 3-D animation film of a fly who travels along with Apollo 11
http://www.flymetothemoonthemovie.com/

http://media.cinenews.be/pics/15222.jpg

Posted by: dvandorn Jan 15 2008, 06:26 PM

Interesting.

I wonder if this was inspired by the only real-life story I can recall of an insectoid hitchhiker on a manned spaceflight? During the ASTP mission, the Apollo crew discovered a Florida mosquito flying around inside the Docking Module when they opened it up to check it out.

-the other Doug

Posted by: edstrick Jan 16 2008, 08:56 AM

I recall they could no longer find it by the second day......

Posted by: PhilCo126 Sep 2 2008, 12:23 PM

Next year it will be 40 years since Apollo 11 ... time flies!


Posted by: ilbasso Sep 2 2008, 04:22 PM

I just scored tickets this morning for a November 13 lecture at the National Air & Space Museum on Nov 13 - the Apollo 8 crew is getting together for a discussion celebrating the 40th anniversary of their mission (albeit a month early).

Forty years...and I remember it like it was yesterday!

Posted by: climber Sep 2 2008, 06:56 PM

Yep, yesterday! And I believe this is when everything started... men leaving Earth for the first time

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