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Invoking The Voyagers Against Id

ljk4-1 View Member Profile	Oct 24 2005, 03:04 PM Post #1
Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2454 Joined: 8-July 05 From: NGC 5907 Member No.: 430	Cornell President Rawlings Condemns Intelligent Design Drawing from sources ranging from Cornell's founders to Voyager space missions, Interim President Hunter R. Rawlings III condemned the push to teach intelligent design in public schools Friday. The attack came during the president's State of... http://www.cornellsun.com/vnews/display.v/...4/435c7762cf891 "The desire to understand the world and the desire to reform it are the two great engines of progress." - Bertrand Russell -------------------- "After having some business dealings with men, I am occasionally chagrined, and feel as if I had done some wrong, and it is hard to forget the ugly circumstance. I see that such intercourse long continued would make one thoroughly prosaic, hard, and coarse. But the longest intercourse with Nature, though in her rudest moods, does not thus harden and make coarse. A hard, sensible man whom we liken to a rock is indeed much harder than a rock. From hard, coarse, insensible men with whom I have no sympathy, I go to commune with the rocks, whose hearts are comparatively soft." - Henry David Thoreau, November 15, 1853

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ljk4-1 Invoking The Voyagers Against Id Oct 24 2005, 03:04 PM

djellison Eeek - not sure I like where this thread will end ... Oct 24 2005, 03:46 PM

Richard Trigaux QUOTE (djellison @ Oct 24 2005, 03:46 PM)Eeek... Oct 24 2005, 06:08 PM

OWW QUOTE (djellison @ Oct 24 2005, 03:46 PM)Play... Oct 30 2005, 11:41 AM

helvick QUOTE (OWW @ Oct 30 2005, 12:41 PM)In 2032 th... Oct 30 2005, 01:48 PM

Richard Trigaux QUOTE (OWW @ Oct 30 2005, 11:41 AM)Is this ni... Oct 30 2005, 02:16 PM

dvandorn QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Oct 30 2005, 09:16 A... Oct 30 2005, 02:38 PM

helvick QUOTE (dvandorn @ Oct 30 2005, 03:38 PM)But, ... Oct 30 2005, 04:43 PM

Richard Trigaux Ah, discution starts to heat, good. (Not a problem... Oct 30 2005, 06:55 PM

Richard Trigaux I would add that, to somewhat recenter the topic o... Oct 30 2005, 07:30 PM

helvick QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Oct 30 2005, 08:30 P... Oct 30 2005, 08:46 PM

Bob Shaw Considering the number of accidents, cock-ups and ... Oct 30 2005, 10:25 PM

helvick QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Oct 30 2005, 11:25 PM)Er...... Oct 30 2005, 10:51 PM

ljk4-1 QUOTE (helvick @ Oct 30 2005, 05:51 PM)Not qu... Oct 31 2005, 02:36 PM

ljk4-1 A little more speculation: What if our Universe... Oct 31 2005, 02:44 PM

Richard Trigaux QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Oct 31 2005, 02:44 PM)A ... Oct 31 2005, 07:09 PM

ljk4-1 QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Oct 31 2005, 02:09 P... Oct 31 2005, 07:32 PM

Richard Trigaux QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Oct 31 2005, 07:32 PM)I ... Oct 31 2005, 07:43 PM

dvandorn QUOTE (helvick @ Oct 30 2005, 03:46 PM)...Lik... Oct 31 2005, 02:27 AM

Richard Trigaux QUOTE (dvandorn @ Oct 31 2005, 02:27 AM)Actua... Oct 31 2005, 08:27 AM

Richard Trigaux QUOTE (helvick @ Oct 30 2005, 08:46 PM)Spirit... Oct 31 2005, 07:59 AM

mike All thinking is circular. Oct 30 2005, 11:18 PM

djellison We used to have this 'purpose' discussion ... Oct 31 2005, 08:37 AM

Richard Trigaux QUOTE (djellison @ Oct 31 2005, 08:37 AM)We u... Oct 31 2005, 10:19 AM

Jeff7 QUOTE (djellison @ Oct 31 2005, 03:37 AM)We u... Oct 31 2005, 04:01 PM

JRehling QUOTE (djellison @ Oct 31 2005, 01:37 AM)but ... Oct 31 2005, 05:55 PM

chris QUOTE (djellison @ Oct 31 2005, 08:37 AM)....... Oct 31 2005, 06:22 PM

mike I think that quite simply all reality is experienc... Oct 31 2005, 04:02 PM

djellison I understand that - but the question remains - WHY... Oct 31 2005, 06:23 PM

Richard Trigaux QUOTE (djellison @ Oct 31 2005, 06:23 PM)I un... Oct 31 2005, 06:42 PM

mike If it weren't for all these 'evil wretches... Oct 31 2005, 08:22 PM

ljk4-1 Vatican cardinal said Thursday the faithful should... Nov 4 2005, 04:30 PM

Richard Trigaux QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Nov 4 2005, 04:30 PM)Vat... Nov 4 2005, 08:38 PM

mike Yeah, they say that now, now that virtually everyo... Nov 4 2005, 06:13 PM

ljk4-1 QUOTE (mike @ Nov 4 2005, 01:13 PM)Yeah, they... Nov 4 2005, 07:04 PM

ljk4-1 For details on the Trial of Galileo, see here: ht... Nov 4 2005, 07:07 PM

Richard Trigaux QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Nov 4 2005, 07:04 PM)Yes... Nov 4 2005, 08:04 PM

mike I don't feel I've researched enough about ... Nov 4 2005, 08:28 PM

Richard Trigaux QUOTE (mike @ Nov 4 2005, 08:28 PM)Regardless... Nov 4 2005, 09:02 PM

dvandorn QUOTE (mike @ Nov 4 2005, 02:28 PM)There are ... Nov 5 2005, 09:12 AM

mike There actually have been some studies on near-deat... Nov 4 2005, 10:59 PM

mike If there is indeed a singular God, I'd rather ... Nov 5 2005, 07:38 PM

ljk4-1 Pat Robertson insinuates ill-will on PA town that ... Nov 11 2005, 03:48 PM

helvick QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Nov 11 2005, 04:48 PM)Th... Nov 11 2005, 05:05 PM

ljk4-1 I wonder what it means that so many Red States got... Nov 11 2005, 05:26 PM

Richard Trigaux QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Nov 11 2005, 05:26 PM)I ... Nov 12 2005, 10:30 AM

Richard Trigaux QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Nov 11 2005, 03:48 PM)Pa... Nov 11 2005, 05:09 PM

mike Yeah, but see, God works in mysterious ways and He... Nov 11 2005, 07:46 PM

Richard Trigaux QUOTE (mike @ Nov 11 2005, 07:46 PM)Yeah, but... Nov 12 2005, 10:45 AM

helvick QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Nov 12 2005, 11:45 A... Nov 12 2005, 12:03 PM

Richard Trigaux QUOTE (helvick @ Nov 12 2005, 12:03 PM)The co... Nov 12 2005, 12:36 PM

Jeff7 QUOTE If we consider that Earth still has one bill... Nov 12 2005, 06:28 PM

Richard Trigaux QUOTE (Jeff7 @ Nov 12 2005, 06:28 PM)The esti... Nov 12 2005, 08:52 PM

Tom Ames On the issue of science education: the reason ID c... Nov 13 2005, 12:47 AM

Richard Trigaux QUOTE (Tom Ames @ Nov 13 2005, 12:47 AM)On th... Nov 13 2005, 11:33 AM

Jeff7 What I find interesting too is that proponents of ... Nov 13 2005, 05:36 PM

deglr6328 QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Nov 13 2005, 11:33 A... Nov 13 2005, 06:09 PM

Tom Ames The problems I see with ID: 1. It invokes a super... Nov 13 2005, 09:03 PM

Richard Trigaux QUOTE (deglr6328 @ Nov 13 2005, 06:09 PM)... ... Nov 14 2005, 11:13 AM

Tom Ames QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Nov 14 2005, 06:13 A... Nov 15 2005, 05:51 PM

Richard Trigaux QUOTE (Tom Ames @ Nov 15 2005, 05:51 PM)Pleas... Nov 15 2005, 09:29 PM

hendric QUOTE (deglr6328 @ Nov 13 2005, 12:09 PM)If I... Nov 16 2005, 05:17 AM

Richard Trigaux QUOTE (hendric @ Nov 16 2005, 05:17 AM)... ... Nov 16 2005, 08:33 AM

Richard Trigaux QUOTE (hendric @ Nov 16 2005, 05:17 AM)I pref... Nov 16 2005, 08:48 AM

ljk4-1 QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Nov 16 2005, 03:48 A... Nov 16 2005, 01:59 PM

ljk4-1 QUOTE (hendric @ Nov 16 2005, 12:17 AM)I pref... Nov 17 2005, 02:43 PM

mike Some people like to believe that they can just wis... Nov 13 2005, 09:02 PM

mike It seems to me that in this realm at least there w... Nov 14 2005, 06:52 PM

ljk4-1 Cornell Professors discuss Intelligent Design Las... Nov 15 2005, 01:59 PM

mike If anyone can describe a way to prove or disprove ... Nov 16 2005, 04:09 PM

helvick QUOTE (mike @ Nov 16 2005, 05:09 PM)If anyone... Nov 16 2005, 07:08 PM

Richard Trigaux QUOTE (mike @ Nov 16 2005, 04:09 PM)If anyone... Nov 16 2005, 07:42 PM

mike As I said, even if a really powerful/god-like bein... Nov 16 2005, 08:16 PM

Jeff7 Interesting side note on heavy elements - I wonder... Nov 17 2005, 05:27 PM

Richard Trigaux QUOTE (Jeff7 @ Nov 17 2005, 05:27 PM)Interest... Nov 18 2005, 02:21 AM

dvandorn My understanding is that most normal stars can onl... Nov 17 2005, 05:36 PM

deglr6328 I think Jeff is talking about the so called ... Nov 17 2005, 07:58 PM

deglr6328 A neutron star, in some ways, may also be thought ... Nov 18 2005, 03:00 AM

Richard Trigaux QUOTE (deglr6328 @ Nov 18 2005, 03:00 AM)A ne... Nov 18 2005, 09:00 AM

deglr6328 QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Nov 18 2005, 09:00 A... Nov 18 2005, 07:08 PM

Richard Trigaux QUOTE (deglr6328 @ Nov 18 2005, 07:08 PM)I do... Nov 18 2005, 07:19 PM

Richard Trigaux back to topic: small neutron stars can form by In... Nov 18 2005, 07:28 PM

ljk4-1 QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Nov 18 2005, 02:19 P... Nov 18 2005, 08:03 PM

Richard Trigaux QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Nov 18 2005, 08:03 PM)Ha... Nov 18 2005, 08:21 PM

dvandorn Well, yeah, a black hole would be the only thing t... Nov 18 2005, 08:30 PM

Richard Trigaux QUOTE (dvandorn @ Nov 18 2005, 08:30 PM)Well,... Nov 18 2005, 08:47 PM

ljk4-1 This fellow co-authored papers with Ward and Brown... Nov 18 2005, 10:07 PM

Richard Trigaux QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Nov 18 2005, 10:07 PM)Th... Nov 19 2005, 12:24 PM

jamescanvin QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Nov 19 2005, 07:47 A... Nov 19 2005, 01:10 AM

Richard Trigaux QUOTE (jamescanvin @ Nov 19 2005, 01:10 AM)No... Nov 19 2005, 12:33 PM

dvandorn QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Nov 19 2005, 06:33 A... Nov 19 2005, 01:03 PM

Richard Trigaux dvandorn, I think only a calculus or simulation wo... Nov 19 2005, 09:11 PM

helvick QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Nov 19 2005, 10:11 P... Nov 19 2005, 09:43 PM

jamescanvin QUOTE (Richard Trigaux)Neutron stars hold their sh... Nov 20 2005, 01:01 AM

helvick Nice feedback James. My estimates were based on so... Nov 20 2005, 01:59 AM

jamescanvin QUOTE (helvick @ Nov 20 2005, 12:59 PM)Nice f... Nov 20 2005, 06:14 AM

dvandorn Hmmmm... if escape velocity at the surface of the ... Nov 20 2005, 05:20 AM

Richard Trigaux Thank you all for this nice conversation. Just are... Nov 20 2005, 08:53 AM

jamescanvin Well wadayaknow, turns out somebody has thought a ... Nov 20 2005, 10:24 PM

deglr6328 So the answer seems to be then, that NSs CAN in fa... Nov 21 2005, 01:36 AM

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