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rlorenz
post May 5 2011, 08:48 PM
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Ahoy mateys!

NASA announces Discovery mission selection for Phase A.

Titan Mare Explorer (TiME) is among them. Har!
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punkboi
post May 6 2011, 02:11 AM
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I hope TiME gets chosen in 2016. Outer Planet mission > Inner Planet mission smile.gif


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post May 6 2011, 02:27 AM
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I also prefer TiME to the other candidates. METNET can do some Martian geophysical studies and Rosetta/Philae can investigate a comet nucleus. But when's the next chance we'll get to see Titan up close other than this?


Edit: Oops, I forgot METNET was 100% meteorological! For some reason I thought it had a few geophysical instruments as well.
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post May 6 2011, 01:37 PM
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QUOTE (SFJCody @ May 5 2011, 09:27 PM) *
But when's the next chance we'll get to see Titan up close other than this?


The real beauty of TiMe is that it's instrument package and environment would be perfectly scientifically complementary (synergistic with) all the other currently proposed Titan missions (baloon, JET, AVIATR airplane, future orbiter, etc.)

So if TiME is selected, it shouldn't hurt the chances of other proposed Titan missions from a purely scientific viewpoint.


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post May 7 2011, 03:20 PM
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I agree: of the three announced candidate missions, TiME really excites the imagination. I expect the images we get back would be pretty underwhelming : I picture something like the myopic postage stamps from the Huygens landing, except with the only visible scenery being a few ripples on a calm lake surface. But the idea of going to such a distant, alien location, and exploring in a way that has never been done before... That is exciting. This mission is about Exploration in the truest sense. I grew up thinking about space from the Star Trek perspective: "to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where no man has gone before." That is exactly what the TiME mission sounds like to me Well, minus the new civilizations, and probably [thought not quite certainly!] minus the new life forms. But certainly exploration of a strange new world. Contrast to the other mission proposals, which are more mundane planetary science. That is science with a small 's' : filling in details, trying to add a little bit onto the big pile of knowledge. Still interesting stuff, but not nearly so inspirational.

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post May 7 2011, 06:19 PM
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QUOTE (tfisher @ May 7 2011, 10:20 AM) *
...I expect the images we get back would be pretty underwhelming...
The descent images should be fantastic! Imagine seeing the shoreline in detail as the probe lands! Also, I'm thinking that eventually the floating probe may be blown onto shore. Hopefully the camera will have remained clear enough to get a good look. That's one thing I worry about, windblown and splashed stuff coating the optics.
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post May 7 2011, 07:39 PM
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Does anyone know what liquid methane/ethane is like at Titan surface temperatures? Is the picture we should have in mind like rubbing alcohol, or gasoline, or motor oil? Maple syrup? Molasses?
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- rlorenz   TiME   May 5 2011, 08:48 PM
- - centsworth_II   Long may this thread live! To 2023 and beyond...   May 5 2011, 09:01 PM
- - Juramike   Whatever floats your boat! Congratulation...   May 5 2011, 09:09 PM
- - ngunn   And a hearty cheer from me. I worked at sea for...   May 5 2011, 09:20 PM
- - Drkskywxlt   Congratulations, Ralph, and also to your team!   May 5 2011, 11:57 PM
- - nprev   Wow, Ralph, MAJOR congrats!!! This pro...   May 6 2011, 12:00 AM
- - titanicrivers   Excellent! Something to really look forward t...   May 6 2011, 12:25 AM
- - punkboi   I hope TiME gets chosen in 2016. Outer Planet miss...   May 6 2011, 02:11 AM
|- - SFJCody   I also prefer TiME to the other candidates. METNET...   May 6 2011, 02:27 AM
|- - stevesliva   QUOTE (SFJCody @ May 5 2011, 10:27 PM) I ...   May 6 2011, 03:47 AM
|- - Juramike   QUOTE (SFJCody @ May 5 2011, 09:27 PM) Bu...   May 6 2011, 01:37 PM
|- - tfisher   I agree: of the three announced candidate missions...   May 7 2011, 03:20 PM
|- - centsworth_II   QUOTE (tfisher @ May 7 2011, 10:20 AM) .....   May 7 2011, 06:19 PM
|- - tfisher   Does anyone know what liquid methane/ethane is lik...   May 7 2011, 07:39 PM
||- - Juramike   QUOTE (tfisher @ May 7 2011, 02:39 PM) Do...   May 7 2011, 07:44 PM
||- - rlorenz   QUOTE (Juramike @ May 7 2011, 03:44 PM) G...   May 8 2011, 12:13 AM
||- - Juramike   QUOTE (rlorenz @ May 7 2011, 07:13 PM) [T...   May 8 2011, 01:40 AM
||- - jasedm   QUOTE (Juramike @ May 8 2011, 02:40 AM) t...   May 8 2011, 10:33 AM
|- - ngunn   QUOTE (centsworth_II @ May 7 2011, 07:19 ...   May 7 2011, 09:03 PM
|- - centsworth_II   QUOTE (ngunn @ May 7 2011, 05:03 PM) I wa...   May 7 2011, 09:16 PM
- - eoincampbell   I'm on TiME's side, Ligeia Mare, here we c...   May 6 2011, 05:00 AM
- - antipode   I like all the selected missions, but TiME seems s...   May 6 2011, 07:12 AM
- - machi   Congratulations Ralph and whole TiME team. It...   May 6 2011, 10:03 AM
- - djellison   Moreover - TiME will be quite a warm thing - so he...   May 7 2011, 08:14 PM
- - nprev   When exactly can we expect the final mission selec...   May 7 2011, 08:39 PM
- - nprev   Thanks for those slides, Cents. I'd actually ...   May 7 2011, 10:06 PM
|- - DFinfrock   QUOTE (nprev @ May 7 2011, 10:06 PM) Than...   May 8 2011, 12:33 AM
|- - tedstryk   Time seems like quite a timely proposal. Congratu...   May 8 2011, 01:35 AM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (tedstryk @ May 7 2011, 05:35 PM) a...   May 8 2011, 06:47 AM
|- - SFJCody   QUOTE (tedstryk @ May 8 2011, 11:35 AM) T...   May 8 2011, 06:58 AM
- - nprev   I see that the UMSF bad pun tradition is alive ...   May 8 2011, 09:44 AM
|- - brellis   QUOTE (nprev @ May 8 2011, 01:44 AM) I...   May 8 2011, 03:25 PM
- - machi   It looks (from scheme), that two imaging instrumen...   May 8 2011, 01:23 PM
- - centsworth_II   Unfortunately it does look a bit iffy for getting ...   May 8 2011, 01:54 PM
|- - ugordan   QUOTE (centsworth_II @ May 8 2011, 03:54 ...   May 8 2011, 02:20 PM
|- - rlorenz   QUOTE (ugordan @ May 8 2011, 10:20 AM) Wh...   May 8 2011, 03:00 PM
||- - Greg Hullender   QUOTE (rlorenz @ May 8 2011, 08:00 AM) a ...   May 8 2011, 05:10 PM
||- - eoincampbell   QUOTE (rlorenz @ May 8 2011, 07:00 AM) Ho...   May 8 2011, 06:57 PM
|- - centsworth_II   QUOTE (ugordan @ May 8 2011, 09:20 AM) Yo...   May 8 2011, 05:33 PM
|- - ugordan   I was under the impression the haze doesn't ...   May 8 2011, 05:53 PM
- - nprev   Ralph, although I'm sure it's proprietary ...   May 8 2011, 09:13 PM
|- - ElkGroveDan   All in due...... well, you know.   May 8 2011, 09:34 PM
- - nprev   <groan>...walked right into that one!   May 8 2011, 09:55 PM
- - Explorer1   With luck, there should be a naming contest or we...   May 8 2011, 11:39 PM
- - nprev   Not a bad point, Explorer, and I think that NH was...   May 9 2011, 12:31 AM
|- - DFinfrock   QUOTE (nprev @ May 9 2011, 12:31 AM) TiME...   May 9 2011, 01:18 AM
|- - polaris   QUOTE (DFinfrock @ May 9 2011, 02:18 AM) ...   May 11 2011, 02:08 PM
- - jasedm   I vote for Shackleton's ship 'Endurance...   May 9 2011, 04:35 PM
|- - dmg   QUOTE (jasedm @ May 9 2011, 09:35 AM) I v...   May 10 2011, 12:44 PM
|- - MahFL   How about "Armada" from "The Spanis...   May 10 2011, 01:46 PM
- - nprev   I like "Admunsen"; seems like a very apr...   May 10 2011, 10:21 PM
- - djellison   Amundsen and Scott were names for the DS2 micropro...   May 10 2011, 11:13 PM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (djellison @ May 10 2011, 11:13 PM)...   May 10 2011, 11:36 PM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (tedstryk @ May 10 2011, 03:36 PM) ...   May 10 2011, 11:42 PM
|- - elakdawalla   QUOTE (tedstryk @ May 10 2011, 03:36 PM) ...   May 11 2011, 12:38 AM
- - nprev   Argh...right, right...bummer! Hmm. Wonder if ...   May 10 2011, 11:20 PM
- - stevesliva   Call it the Cuyahoga. Volatile organics and all t...   May 10 2011, 11:33 PM
- - Drkskywxlt   How about the Fram? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...   May 10 2011, 11:40 PM
- - Bjorn Jonsson   The names of the Vikings that discovered Greenland...   May 11 2011, 01:02 AM
- - djellison   Hey - we could call it TiME.   May 11 2011, 01:53 AM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (djellison @ May 11 2011, 01:53 AM)...   May 11 2011, 07:09 PM
|- - Astrophil   Not an explorer, but – Coleridge: “We were the fir...   May 12 2011, 07:58 AM
- - nprev   To be sure. The clock is indeed ticking; to ans...   May 11 2011, 01:57 AM
- - Stu   It would never happen in a gazillion years, I...   May 11 2011, 02:12 PM
|- - tedstryk   Perhaps Champlain would be a good name, since he n...   May 11 2011, 05:17 PM
|- - DFinfrock   QUOTE (Stu @ May 11 2011, 02:12 PM) It wo...   May 13 2011, 01:10 AM
- - Phil Stooke   "Parachute Landing On Puddle" PLOP...   May 12 2011, 11:37 AM
- - centsworth_II   Titanic? Or -- since Time is a raft -- Kon-Tiki....   May 12 2011, 12:31 PM
- - titanicrivers   How about the good ship ARGO. (I don't have t...   May 12 2011, 12:49 PM
- - remcook   QUOTE (centsworth_II @ May 12 2011, 12:31...   May 12 2011, 02:21 PM
- - machi   Personally I like Fram and Endurance. These names ...   May 12 2011, 02:30 PM
- - ElkGroveDan   A ship out on one of the Great Lakes in cold nasty...   May 12 2011, 02:30 PM
|- - titanicrivers   QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ May 12 2011, 09:30 A...   May 12 2011, 02:54 PM
|- - DFinfrock   QUOTE (titanicrivers @ May 12 2011, 02:54...   May 13 2011, 01:02 AM
|- - AndyG   QUOTE (DFinfrock @ May 13 2011, 02:02 AM)...   May 13 2011, 10:25 AM
||- - MahFL   Cat's are a law unto themselves, ours called ...   May 13 2011, 12:55 PM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (DFinfrock @ May 12 2011, 06:02 PM)...   May 13 2011, 01:39 PM
- - Paolo   a technical question: any idea of the data rate of...   May 15 2011, 08:44 AM
- - Phil Stooke   My concern too - coupled with the brief mission af...   May 15 2011, 03:49 PM
- - nprev   On the other hand, it's gonna have gobs of pow...   May 15 2011, 05:20 PM
- - mchan   Just because TiME will use an ASRG (or two) does n...   May 15 2011, 09:11 PM
|- - centsworth_II   QUOTE (mchan @ May 15 2011, 05:11 PM) ......   May 16 2011, 02:16 PM
- - Bjorn Jonsson   An extremely crude back-of-the-envelope calculatio...   May 15 2011, 10:39 PM
- - ngunn   I'm on board. There's no fatal flaw with t...   May 15 2011, 10:49 PM
- - Bjorn Jonsson   Thinking more about this, the Galileo LGA might be...   May 15 2011, 11:07 PM
- - stevesliva   And of course, as long as the descent imaging and ...   May 15 2011, 11:39 PM
- - machi   "any idea of the data rate of TiME and of the...   May 15 2011, 11:53 PM
- - JGodbaz   Except that the vast majority of the data will pro...   May 16 2011, 01:08 PM
|- - rlorenz   QUOTE (JGodbaz @ May 16 2011, 08:08 AM) E...   May 17 2011, 05:35 AM
|- - ElkGroveDan   QUOTE (rlorenz @ May 16 2011, 09:35 PM) M...   May 17 2011, 06:07 AM
|- - rlorenz   QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ May 17 2011, 01:07 A...   May 19 2011, 03:54 AM
- - tanjent   Good point. Roughly speaking the Earth should be v...   May 16 2011, 03:08 PM
|- - centsworth_II   QUOTE (tanjent @ May 16 2011, 10:08 AM) ....   May 16 2011, 04:12 PM
|- - Bjorn Jonsson   QUOTE (centsworth_II @ May 16 2011, 04:12...   May 16 2011, 04:41 PM
|- - centsworth_II   QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ May 16 2011, 12:41...   May 16 2011, 04:42 PM
- - ElkGroveDan   I suppose engineering specifics are way down the r...   May 16 2011, 03:10 PM
- - Bjorn Jonsson   No, it won't happen (unless you get a *very* l...   May 16 2011, 05:02 PM
|- - centsworth_II   QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ May 16 2011, 12:02...   May 16 2011, 08:46 PM
- - helvick   Dan - I wouldn't have thought that sort of tem...   May 16 2011, 05:21 PM
- - nprev   One thing to consider is that TiME will require VE...   May 17 2011, 12:34 AM
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