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Ryan
post Mar 24 2008, 09:11 PM
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Just found out today at a MER all-hands meeting that both MER and Odyssey will each be suffering an immediate $4 million budget cut to help defray the cost of MSL. Read more here: http://martianchronicles.wordpress.com/200...rs-budget-cuts/
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Mariner9
post Mar 26 2008, 10:58 PM
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But there is a decadal study in the planetary world. The last such full report came out about five years ago, and the gist of its reccomendations have been followed.

It reccommended that mid-range missions be funded to cover tasks that Discovery was just not up to. (aka: New Fronteirs). First priority was a Kuiper belt mission, and Pluto was a good start since it was the largest Kuiper Belt object. Hence, New Fronteirs #1 - New Horizons Pluto Probe.

Second set of suggested missions was Jupiter Orbiter with probes, Comet sample return, Venus in-situ analysis, and Lunar Sample Return. New Fronteirs #2 was the Juno Orbiter. The Venus mission turned out to be technically too challenging, the Comet Sample Return was out of the budget range, but the Lunar Sample mission was the run-off canidate mission up against Juno.


The report suggested flying one flagship every decade, a New Frontiers every 3 years, a Discover mission every 18 months. It also said that if you could not fly them at that frequency due to budget limitations, you should keep the general ratio of missions as it was presented, and spread out the frequency.

What has evolved since then is a New Fronteirs every 5 years, Discovery every 3, and (cross your fingers) a flagship every decade.

So it seems to me that the planetary sciences community is already doing a farily good job with planning, and that NASA headquarters takes them seriously (even if not every reccomendation is followed).
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post Mar 26 2008, 11:21 PM
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QUOTE (Mariner9 @ Mar 26 2008, 10:58 PM) *
But there is a decadal study in the planetary world. The last such full report came out about five years ago, ...
What has evolved since then is a New Fronteirs every 5 years, Discovery every 3, and (cross your fingers) a flagship every decade.

So it seems to me that the planetary sciences community is already doing a farily good job with planning, and that NASA headquarters takes them seriously (even if not every reccomendation is followed).

Greg,
Good catch! You're right, I had forgotten about that effort. However, it *excluded* any discussion of these priorities relative to Mars. That was missing piece that I was addressing. How much funding should go to each? The previous path (pre-FY09 budget proposal) favored Mars and precluded outer planet flagship missions. The new path enables an outer flagship at the cost of thrashing the well established Mars exploration program. So what I would like to see is the community combine priorities for the two programs. Both programs have done a great job within their spheres.

QUOTE (vjkane @ Mar 26 2008, 11:20 PM) *
Greg,
Good catch!

Whoops. Got confused as to who did the catching. My apologies!


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- Ryan   Odyssey and MER Budgets Cut   Mar 24 2008, 09:11 PM
- - brellis   Sorry to hear about it. There was at one point a ...   Mar 24 2008, 09:57 PM
- - djellison   I'm writing emails to people to see what, if a...   Mar 24 2008, 11:07 PM
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|- - slinted   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Mar 24 2008, 06:39 PM...   Mar 25 2008, 05:11 AM
- - nprev   I'm sure Emily's aware; hopefully, TPS wil...   Mar 24 2008, 11:28 PM
- - Stu   Just got in from work to find this news. Unbelieva...   Mar 24 2008, 11:52 PM
|- - ElkGroveDan   QUOTE (Stu @ Mar 24 2008, 03:52 PM) Obvio...   Mar 25 2008, 12:16 AM
- - djellison   Yup - I'd ask people to hang tight from the ra...   Mar 24 2008, 11:57 PM
- - nprev   Agreed. There are a lot of systemic factors to con...   Mar 25 2008, 12:59 AM
|- - brellis   QUOTE (nprev @ Mar 24 2008, 05:59 PM) I...   Mar 25 2008, 01:12 AM
||- - Stu   QUOTE (brellis @ Mar 25 2008, 01:12 AM) h...   Mar 25 2008, 08:25 AM
|- - Stu   QUOTE (nprev @ Mar 25 2008, 12:59 AM) apo...   Mar 25 2008, 01:27 AM
- - nprev   Thanks for the words of encouragement, O Poet Laur...   Mar 25 2008, 01:46 AM
|- - brellis   A while back I wondered if due to budget constrain...   Mar 25 2008, 02:15 AM
|- - nprev   QUOTE (brellis @ Mar 24 2008, 07:15 PM) H...   Mar 25 2008, 02:25 AM
|- - laurele   QUOTE (nprev @ Mar 24 2008, 10:25 PM) Tru...   Mar 25 2008, 04:12 AM
- - merman   Hi all, It is important for everyone to realize t...   Mar 25 2008, 02:26 AM
|- - Stu   QUOTE (merman @ Mar 25 2008, 02:26 AM) St...   Mar 25 2008, 08:32 AM
|- - Greg Hullender   QUOTE (Stu @ Mar 25 2008, 12:32 AM) Quest...   Mar 25 2008, 03:09 PM
- - Astro0   This has hit the wider media already... http://sci...   Mar 25 2008, 02:44 AM
- - Aussie   I am not sure that outrage is warranted. My under...   Mar 25 2008, 03:02 AM
- - Greg Hullender   Well, I wrote my congressman, BUT it already looks...   Mar 25 2008, 03:40 AM
|- - nprev   QUOTE (Greg Hullender @ Mar 24 2008, 07:4...   Mar 25 2008, 03:48 AM
- - mchan   Click on Astro's link to CNN above.   Mar 25 2008, 04:00 AM
- - nprev   Ah...thanks, mchan. "Mixed signals"...y...   Mar 25 2008, 04:06 AM
- - mcaplinger   I would argue that Odyssey is far more likely to y...   Mar 25 2008, 05:05 AM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Mar 25 2008, 05:05 AM...   Mar 25 2008, 08:51 AM
||- - tedstryk   The seemingly odd NASA response about not being w...   Mar 25 2008, 09:50 AM
|- - nprev   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Mar 24 2008, 10:05 PM...   Mar 25 2008, 12:26 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (nprev @ Mar 25 2008, 04:26 AM) Mor...   Mar 25 2008, 05:11 PM
|- - elakdawalla   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Mar 25 2008, 09:11 AM...   Mar 25 2008, 05:39 PM
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|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Mar 24 2008, 09:14 P...   Mar 25 2008, 04:15 PM
- - PhilCo126   Indeed lots of media intrest: NASA budget cut thre...   Mar 25 2008, 11:58 AM
- - Adam   http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080324/ap_on_...5kyVt...   Mar 25 2008, 12:22 PM
- - climber   I'd thought that Nasa (or whoever it is) would...   Mar 25 2008, 01:49 PM
|- - ustrax   Guys, just got the info that it seems like the sit...   Mar 25 2008, 02:04 PM
- - elakdawalla   "in this discussion," Mike, "in thi...   Mar 25 2008, 05:02 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Mar 25 2008, 09:02 A...   Mar 25 2008, 05:12 PM
|- - Of counsel   Breaking news? NASA: Mars rovers won't be cut...   Mar 25 2008, 05:44 PM
||- - PaulM   I read an interview with Steve Squyres (it might h...   Mar 25 2008, 06:18 PM
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|- - imipak   QUOTE (bmerrow @ Mar 25 2008, 06:00 PM) T...   Mar 25 2008, 06:11 PM
|- - JRehling   If you go to Google news and search for "Mars...   Mar 25 2008, 06:12 PM
- - PhilCo126   http://www.physorg.com/news125666692.html   Mar 25 2008, 06:44 PM
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|- - merman   Thank you, everyone, for your support and help wit...   Mar 26 2008, 02:22 PM
- - vjkane   The money restored to MER and Odyssey will have to...   Mar 26 2008, 02:26 AM
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|- - tedstryk   As was pointed out earlier, the kind of money we a...   Mar 26 2008, 01:04 PM
- - Stu   Not wanting to kick a gift horse in the mouth and ...   Mar 26 2008, 01:18 PM
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- - elakdawalla   My understanding from some Odyssey folks is that t...   Mar 26 2008, 03:45 PM
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|- - vjkane   QUOTE (Mariner9 @ Mar 26 2008, 10:58 PM) ...   Mar 26 2008, 11:21 PM
- - djellison   Good words at NW "While I have not agreed wi...   Mar 28 2008, 08:04 PM
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