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Landing on Mercury on equator at perihelion
Rem31
post Mar 21 2006, 12:18 AM
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How will it be to make a manned landing at Mercury at its closest to the sun (perihelion) on its equator when the sun is in the zenith ,what are the dangers of a landing then? Do we need to be protected against the sunheat and radiation then? How strong is the heat and radiation of the sun then ,and is it dangerous when the solaractivity is high then? What kind of spacesuits do we need then? Better protected suits than we have used on the apollo moonlandings i think. Can you explain how a landing on Mercury will be when it is at perihelion and land on its equator with the sun directly overhead? I hope it will ever happen. Lets start discuss about it.
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post Jan 8 2007, 02:52 PM
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Dr. Robert Bussard of the Bussard ramjet interstellar vessel concept fame,
has been promoting a new type of fusion engine called inertial electrostatic
confinement fusion (IEC).

IEC involves "a fusion process that converts hydrogen and boron directly
into electricity producing helium as the only waste product."

See this video of a talk Bussard gave on the IEC for the details:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1996321846673788606

The Advent of Clean Nuclear Fusion: Superperformance Space Power and Propulsion

By Dr. Robert W. Bussard

57th IAC, Valencia, Spain, October 2-6, 2006

http://www.askmar.com/ConferenceNotes/2006...IAC%20Paper.pdf

So there may be no point in going to Mercury to mine Helium 3. Speaking
of mining Mercury, what minerals might the planet have that would make
going there for that purpose worth it? No doubt mining the planetoids would
be much easier and cheaper. Perhaps Mercury would make a good solar
observation station.


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post Jan 8 2007, 07:16 PM
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QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Jan 8 2007, 06:52 AM) *
So there may be no point in going to Mercury to mine Helium 3. Speaking
of mining Mercury, what minerals might the planet have that would make
going there for that purpose worth it? No doubt mining the planetoids would
be much easier and cheaper. Perhaps Mercury would make a good solar
observation station.


I'm not sure if it would be worth going to Mercury for Helium 3 even if that were the only form of fusion and it worked great. In fact, I doubt it. By no means is there anything else on Mercury would going to get and bring back. You'd lose money bringing diamonds back from Mercury even if they were already pre-cut and in fireproof burlap sacks.

This may be hard to believe, but the minimum-energy path to Mercury is greater than that to any other solid object... in the universe. And there's no atmosphere to brake your descent. And the escape velocity is nontrivial for your trip home, with the same delta-v on the way back to Earth. A muscular there-and-back mission could take place FASTER than one to Pluto, but far more expensively.

There would be no reason to send a (visual) solar observatory to Mercury. Why not just orbit the Sun at the same distance -- what use is it to have the ground beneath you, at an alarming increase of delta-v (and spending ~50% of the time unable to see your target) for the privilege?

I'd go back to the start here and opine that it wouldn't be worth going to Mercury for Helium 3 even if the only other form of energy available to the human species was burning wood and scaling back our population to pre-industrial levels. Basically, I don't think it's a break-even no matter what. Mercury is not economically viable.
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- Rem31   Landing on Mercury on equator at perihelion   Mar 21 2006, 12:18 AM
- - antoniseb   QUOTE (Rem31 @ Mar 20 2006, 07:18 PM) How...   Mar 21 2006, 12:25 AM
- - RNeuhaus   QUOTE (Rem31 @ Mar 20 2006, 07:18 PM) How...   Mar 21 2006, 02:25 AM
|- - Rem31   But how will a (hypothetical) manned landing on Me...   Mar 21 2006, 03:42 AM
|- - RNeuhaus   QUOTE (Rem31 @ Mar 20 2006, 10:42 PM) But...   Mar 22 2006, 01:35 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   A manned landing on Mercury at perihelion -- or an...   Mar 21 2006, 04:25 AM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 20 2006, 08:25 P...   Mar 21 2006, 10:02 PM
|- - BruceMoomaw   QUOTE (JRehling @ Mar 21 2006, 10:02 PM) ...   Mar 21 2006, 11:57 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 21 2006, 03:57 P...   Mar 22 2006, 05:46 PM
- - Richard Trigaux   QUOTE (Rem31 @ Mar 21 2006, 01:18 AM) How...   Mar 21 2006, 06:09 AM
- - edstrick   Exploring Mercury is difficult. While it's re...   Mar 21 2006, 08:49 AM
|- - Richard Trigaux   At least, and orbiter with high resolution mapping...   Mar 21 2006, 09:08 AM
- - edstrick   Robert Strom (I think) and subsequent researchers ...   Mar 21 2006, 10:26 AM
|- - Richard Trigaux   hey, that is interesting, and fairly different of ...   Mar 21 2006, 11:06 AM
- - Richard Trigaux   An interesting job too for a probe would be sensin...   Mar 21 2006, 11:18 AM
|- - ljk4-1   Come on, guys - just land at night! How about...   Mar 21 2006, 03:20 PM
|- - JRehling   To summarize what other posters have written: Merc...   Mar 21 2006, 05:37 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   Even Arthur C. Clarke, the Keeper of the Holy of H...   Mar 21 2006, 09:42 PM
|- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 21 2006, 04:42 P...   Mar 21 2006, 10:22 PM
|- - Rem31   Are there space artist impressions to find on the ...   Mar 21 2006, 11:42 PM
- - RNeuhaus   The Mercury atmospheric composition: CODEHelium 4...   Mar 22 2006, 01:59 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   It has stupendously less than that -- its atmosphe...   Mar 22 2006, 03:40 AM
- - edstrick   Niven may or may not have been aware of the really...   Mar 22 2006, 07:04 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   He surely wasn't aware of that, or he wouldn...   Mar 22 2006, 07:37 AM
- - edstrick   I'm assuming he wasn't. It was pretty obs...   Mar 22 2006, 08:15 AM
|- - BruceMoomaw   QUOTE (edstrick @ Mar 22 2006, 08:15 AM) ...   Mar 22 2006, 08:25 PM
- - Richard Trigaux   There was in another thread a discution on the pos...   Mar 22 2006, 08:37 AM
- - edstrick   A long lived Mercury lander would have decidedly d...   Mar 22 2006, 11:12 AM
- - Richard Trigaux   An ion drive would do well on a trajectory to Merc...   Mar 22 2006, 07:26 PM
|- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Mar 22 2006, 02...   Mar 22 2006, 08:09 PM
|- - antoniseb   QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Mar 22 2006, 03:09 P...   Mar 22 2006, 08:45 PM
||- - Richard Trigaux   QUOTE (antoniseb @ Mar 22 2006, 09:45 PM)...   Mar 22 2006, 09:40 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Mar 22 2006, 12:09 P...   Mar 22 2006, 09:27 PM
|- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (JRehling @ Mar 22 2006, 04:27 PM) ...   Mar 22 2006, 09:41 PM
- - edstrick   Mariner 10 did have a tiny infrared radiometer. I...   Mar 23 2006, 09:33 AM
- - Rem31   What kind of experience will it (possibly) be when...   Apr 28 2006, 09:47 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   All I can say is you like hot weather a lot more t...   Apr 28 2006, 09:53 PM
|- - Rem31   What are the kind of dangers of a (manned) landing...   May 10 2006, 12:06 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   God, yes. We've mentioned all this before. A...   May 10 2006, 08:43 AM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ May 10 2006, 09:43 A...   May 10 2006, 11:00 AM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ May 10 2006, 01:43 A...   May 10 2006, 01:35 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (JRehling @ May 10 2006, 06:35 AM) ...   May 10 2006, 05:08 PM
- - Rem31   And on a manned landing on Mercury at (perihelion)...   May 10 2006, 11:28 AM
|- - helvick   QUOTE (Rem31 @ May 10 2006, 12:28 PM) And...   May 10 2006, 12:19 PM
- - jsheff   As I recall, Mariner 10's discovery of a magne...   May 10 2006, 03:52 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   John: The trouble with Mercury is, that although ...   May 10 2006, 05:58 PM
- - RNeuhaus   A comparative view of Sun between Mercury and Eart...   May 10 2006, 07:06 PM
- - jsheff   I know how horrendous the delta-vee requirements a...   May 10 2006, 07:27 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (jsheff @ May 10 2006, 12:27 PM) Th...   May 10 2006, 08:27 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (JRehling @ May 10 2006, 09:27 PM) ...   May 10 2006, 08:39 PM
||- - ilbasso   QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ May 10 2006, 04:39 PM) ...   May 18 2006, 05:47 PM
|- - helvick   Absolutely agree with you on this but people are s...   May 10 2006, 08:50 PM
|- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (helvick @ May 10 2006, 04:50 PM) A...   May 18 2006, 05:52 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   Well, all the way back in the 1950s -- when he was...   May 10 2006, 09:11 PM
- - Rem31   Do you need also Solarheat and radiation protectio...   Jun 17 2006, 09:00 PM
- - dvandorn   I don't have detailed numbers for you, but my ...   Jun 18 2006, 11:52 PM
- - RNeuhaus   In spite of the fact Mercury has extermes temperat...   Jun 19 2006, 12:46 AM
|- - ermar   QUOTE every 44 days (one orbital period is close t...   Jun 20 2006, 08:09 PM
- - RNeuhaus   Good tought ermar! I haven't percated th...   Jun 21 2006, 03:04 AM
- - Rem31   Here is one of the most beautifull photographs of ...   Jun 22 2006, 09:11 PM
|- - helvick   QUOTE (Rem31 @ Jun 22 2006, 10:11 PM) I h...   Jun 22 2006, 11:40 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (helvick @ Jun 22 2006, 04:40 PM) N...   Jun 23 2006, 04:10 PM
|- - Rem31   QUOTE (JRehling @ Jun 23 2006, 04:10 PM) ...   Jun 24 2006, 11:09 PM
- - edstrick   Note that we *DO* know there's polar volatile ...   Jun 23 2006, 10:50 AM
- - edstrick   I note that that page has ONE (the first) of the M...   Jun 24 2006, 10:24 AM
- - efron_01   about Mercury having been a moon of Venus.. I have...   Nov 12 2006, 03:44 PM
- - nprev   As I recall, the Arecibo radar images of Mercury...   Nov 13 2006, 02:11 AM
- - Alan S   This might be a topic for a new thread, but since ...   Jan 8 2007, 06:21 AM
- - edstrick   The helium 3 is a fraction (in very approximate pr...   Jan 8 2007, 12:43 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (edstrick @ Jan 8 2007, 12:43 PM) T...   Jan 8 2007, 10:32 PM
- - ljk4-1   Dr. Robert Bussard of the Bussard ramjet interstel...   Jan 8 2007, 02:52 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Jan 8 2007, 06:52 AM...   Jan 8 2007, 07:16 PM
- - nprev   I think that JR's analysis was right on, if ni...   Jan 9 2007, 02:25 AM
- - edstrick   "...what minerals might the planet have ......   Jan 9 2007, 08:39 AM


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