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Lunar Spacecraft Images, A place for moon panoramas, mosaics etc.
Steve G
post May 6 2019, 01:21 AM
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QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ May 4 2019, 07:12 AM) *
This is the current version of the lunar sites map. The empty space is for future events. I am not copyrighting this. Do what you want with it.

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For the unknown location of the Apollo 16 LM Ascent stage, is there not seismic data of the impact that can give its location? There were four active seismometers back then, was there not?
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post May 6 2019, 05:27 AM
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for Phil (or anyone else interested)

Apollo 15 (and possibly Apollo 16) used their 16mm Mauer movie camera mounted on the lunar rover to film part of their surroundings while traveling between stations. Since the camera was in a fixed position, wouldn't it be possible to stitch frames together to show super-long linear photographic strips of terrain? It's just an odd thought I had.


I hope this doesn't violate rules. I'm only discussing photography, nothing else.
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Phil Stooke
post May 6 2019, 11:43 AM
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Steve - we don't know when the impact happened either, so it is not easy to separate out that impact from any other natural event. If it occurred on the opposite side of the Moon it would be a weak signal as well, maybe too weak. As far as I know, nobody has claimed to have seen that specific signal.

Monitor, it's not a bad thought. Apollo 15's 16 mm camera only worked very briefly. I did actually use its images to locate tracks on the west rim of Dune crater, the only place where it is useful. This is a link to my LPSC poster on the topic:

https://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2018/eposter/1007.pdf

Because the Apollo 15 16mm camera didn't work well it was supplemented on Apollo 16 by images taken by Charlie Duke at frequent intervals. But then the 16mm camera worked well for them. I found the astronaut photos more useful than the 16mm images. Now I'm using the pictures taken by Jack Schmitt on Apollo 17 to map those traverses. More about that soon.

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post May 6 2019, 09:09 PM
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QUOTE (monitorlizard @ May 5 2019, 10:27 PM) *
for Phil (or anyone else interested)

Apollo 15 (and possibly Apollo 16) used their 16mm Mauer movie camera mounted on the lunar rover to film part of their surroundings while traveling between stations. Since the camera was in a fixed position, wouldn't it be possible to stitch frames together to show super-long linear photographic strips of terrain? It's just an odd thought I had.


I hope this doesn't violate rules. I'm only discussing photography, nothing else.


The DAC 16mm cameras were mostly facing forward during the drives. I think there's potential on EVA 3 near North Ray. There's more potential for orbital shots that can be stitched, even editing out the window frame in some shots. I can't find any good HD quality downloads anywhere. The available locations have blurred (out of focus) edges which means they were transferred poorly via telecine style and not scanned using modern transfer equipment. Spacecraft Films is offering all the onboards for $450 USD but that's a big gamble and they're not very active anymore.
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post May 6 2019, 09:48 PM
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NASA has good quality HD scans available on Archive.org.Here's some from Apollo 15: https://archive.org/details/Apollo-15_Onboa...ilm-Mags_EE.mxf
There are some frame-rate conversion and black clipping issues on some videos, but it's a great source.Incredible potential for image processing here.


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post May 7 2019, 08:03 AM
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Thanks for that link, 4throck, I really enjoyed watching that footage, though I see it's not really useful for stitching. I suppose a really determined image processor could do a geometric transformation of each frame but it wouldn't be worth the headache. SteveG, I agree about the orbital 16mm movie footage being more promising. I've seen Apollo orbital footprint maps that show long contiguous sequences of 16mm filming, apparently at nadir, that could be stitched into long, thin mosaics. I'm not an image processor, but I'd certainly be interested in seeing what would result if somebody did this. The only thing is, viewing it on a computer screen would look the same as watching the footage!
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post May 12 2019, 09:08 AM
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QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ May 4 2019, 05:12 PM) *
This is the current version of the lunar sites map.


It looks like you will have to update the map very soon: DSLWP-B to crash on or around next July 31
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post May 12 2019, 05:34 PM
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Yes, and Chandrayaan 2 in about September, and Chang'e 5 in December.

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post May 13 2019, 08:28 AM
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QUOTE (monitorlizard @ May 7 2019, 09:03 AM) *
<br />Thanks for that link, 4throck, I really enjoyed watching that footage...


There are some interesting things on NASA's resource reels, and also on some vintage documentaries.

Looking elsewhere, and to stay on topic, searching Youtube for "Surveyor 3" gets you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6yQfbFMBcY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WFT5_jLLjU

Both are very interesting smile.gif

There's much more about other missions if you know where to look, including some Pioneer video images, but that's better discussed on a specific topic about image sources I think.


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post Oct 30 2019, 09:38 PM
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Here is the latest version of the Lunar Sites map. I have added Chandrayaan 2 (Vikram) and Longjiang 2 impacts, and moved Chandrayaan 1's MIP impact to the far side as I now believe it should be. Next year will see the Chang'e 5 sample return, I hope, and several events can be expected in 2021 - CLPS landings or attempts by Astrobotic and Intuitive Machines, OMOTENASHI (micro-lander from Japan launched with Artemis 1) and perhaps others including mission-ending impacts for Lunar Flashlight and LunarH-Map (also with Artemis 1).

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post May 11 2021, 07:28 PM
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Concerning the Surveyor Digitization Project, I have been in contact with Shane Byrne, who is leading the project to digitize all of the Surveyor lunar images. They are still trying to tie off some loose ends with the dataset. The school semester just ended so they will be starting work on this again soon and should have an update later this summer. Looking forward to this image release!
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post May 12 2021, 06:37 AM
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Thanks, Steve, that is good to know. I have not been keeping up with progress but when I talked to the people involved they were talking about the image metadata as a complicated problem. Each frame they scanned off the film included both an image and a table of metadata so they had to use OCR to extract it and then get it all organized. That process sounds like it's coming to an end. They sent me a few examples of processed images including a bit of a panorama and some color processing. There will be some very cool things to do with these images, and for landing sites that are not well known visually. Old-timers may remember the arduous task of building panoramas from very sub-standard materials which I attempted on UMSF many years ago. That could be vastly superseded soon!
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post May 18 2022, 02:35 AM
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So as I mentioned in the Lucy thread, we just made a movie of Sunday night's (US time) total lunar eclipse from the Lucy spacecraft. Lucy is currently near its furthest point from Earth, about 100 million km away, beginning its loop back for its Earth gravity assist next October.

We *think* this is the first movie of a lunar eclipse made from deep space, but does anyone know of other examples?

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post May 18 2022, 03:45 AM
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Hmm, I suppose DSCOVR's "view" of an lunar eclipse in 2015 doesn't really count for your purposes? I expect Lucy's view will be more impressive (at least as far as the eclipse is concerned?)
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post May 18 2022, 04:26 AM
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Thanks, though DSCOVR doesn’t quite count as deep space in my book. However we’ve now learned that Messenger did a lunar eclipse movie in 2014 (https://www.planetary.org/space-images/messenger-views-lunar-eclipse), so we’re not the first from “deep space” anyway. Still, we think ours is cooler- we’ll be releasing it fairly soon.

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