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TNOs: could some have formed elsewhere?
elakdawalla
post Mar 28 2006, 05:35 PM
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I got a question today for Planetary Radio Q&A that I couldn't answer, being pretty ignorant about solar system formation research. Can anybody help?

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We know from the metal composition of our solar system that the Sun is at least a second or third generation star. It made me wonder if it was possible that some of the comets or other KBOs that we witness might be from the Sun's predecessor star or stars. If not, could such bodies exist a bit further out? I should think it would be fantastic to be able to investigate such objects.


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Astrophysics, abstract
astro-ph/0605745

From: David Rabinowitz [view email]

Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 16:33:15 GMT (809kb)

The Diverse Solar Phase Curves of Distant Icy Bodies. Part I: Photometric Observations of 18 Trans-Neptunian Objects, 7 Centaurs, and Nereid

Authors: David L. Rabinowitz1, Bradley E. Schaefer2, Suzanne W. Tourtellotte3

Comments: 5 tables, 5 figures

We have measured the solar phase curves in B, V, and I for 18 Trans-Neptunian Objects, 7 Centaurs, and Nereid and determined the rotation curves for 10 of these targets. For each body, we have made ~100 observations uniformly spread over the entire visible range. We find that all the targets except Nereid have linear phase curves at small phase angles (< 2 deg) with widely varying phase coefficients (0.0 to 0.4 mag/deg). At phase angles > 3 deg, the Centaurs (54598) Bienor and (32532) Thereus have phase curves that flatten. The recently discovered Pluto-scale bodies (2003 UB313, 2005 FY9, and 2003 EL61), like Pluto, have neutral colors compared to most TNOs and small phase coefficients (< 0.1 mag/deg). Together these two properties are a likely indication for large TNOs of high-albedo, freshly coated icy surfaces. We find several bodies with significantly wavelength-dependent phase curves. The TNOs (50000) Quaoar, (120348) 2004 TY364 (47932), and 2000 GN171 have unusually high I-band phase coefficients (0.290+/-0.038, 0.413+/-0.064, 0.281+/-0.033 mag/deg, respectively) and much lower coefficients in the B and V bands. Their phase coefficients increase in proportion to wavelength by 0.5 - 0.8 mag/deg/um. The phase curves for TNOs with small B-band phase coefficients (< 0.1 mag/deg) have a similar but weaker wavelength dependence. Coherent backscatter is the likely cause for the wavelength dependence for all these bodies. We see no such dependence for the Centaurs, which have visual albedos ~0.05.

http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0605745


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- elakdawalla   TNOs: could some have formed elsewhere?   Mar 28 2006, 05:35 PM
- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Mar 28 2006, 05:35 P...   Mar 28 2006, 05:57 PM
|- - Alan Stern   Hi Emily, I personally have worked on this proble...   Mar 28 2006, 06:19 PM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (Alan Stern @ Mar 28 2006, 06:19 PM...   Mar 28 2006, 06:38 PM
||- - Stephen   QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Mar 28 2006, 06:38...   Mar 29 2006, 01:19 AM
|- - SFJCody   QUOTE (Alan Stern @ Mar 28 2006, 07:19 PM...   Mar 28 2006, 07:45 PM
|- - Alan Stern   QUOTE (SFJCody @ Mar 28 2006, 07:45 PM) C...   Mar 28 2006, 10:52 PM
- - elakdawalla   Thanks, Alan, Alex! Emily   Mar 28 2006, 06:55 PM
- - ngunn   Another angle on Emily's query. The recent pa...   May 16 2006, 11:21 AM
|- - ugordan   QUOTE (ngunn @ May 16 2006, 12:21 PM) The...   May 16 2006, 11:29 AM
- - ngunn   I saw that, and I can see why the probability of a...   May 16 2006, 12:47 PM
|- - ugordan   QUOTE (ngunn @ May 16 2006, 01:47 PM) I s...   May 16 2006, 01:05 PM
|- - ngunn   QUOTE (ugordan @ May 16 2006, 02:05 PM) I...   May 16 2006, 01:47 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   What about a close (in interstellar terms) encount...   May 16 2006, 05:27 PM
- - Richard Trigaux   Well, such interstellar interactions and captures ...   May 16 2006, 07:56 PM
- - ngunn   It's all too easy to picture the sun's ste...   May 17 2006, 09:37 AM
|- - The Messenger   QUOTE (ngunn @ May 17 2006, 03:37 AM) It...   May 17 2006, 05:17 PM
|- - Richard Trigaux   Two populations of objects sharing the same space?...   May 17 2006, 07:57 PM
- - Richard Trigaux   Eventually if the solar system had crossed a zone ...   May 17 2006, 02:20 PM
- - ngunn   Indeed, and I like your multiple disc idea too. W...   May 17 2006, 03:22 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   Hopefully, future astrometry missions will provide...   May 17 2006, 04:22 PM
|- - Richard Trigaux   QUOTE (ngunn @ May 17 2006, 03:22 PM) Ind...   May 17 2006, 05:15 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   The most interesting part of Michael Brown's i...   May 18 2006, 06:23 AM
- - ngunn   A marvellous quote, Bruce, music to my ears. It...   May 18 2006, 09:12 AM
|- - Rob Pinnegar   QUOTE (ngunn @ May 18 2006, 03:12 AM) Not...   May 19 2006, 06:02 PM
- - Richard Trigaux   Eventually Sedna is the best candidate for a body ...   May 18 2006, 10:50 AM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ May 18 2006, 11...   May 18 2006, 11:17 AM
- - dvandorn   'Is not' is not 'not is'... -the ...   May 19 2006, 05:21 AM
- - dvandorn   Not looking for the unexpected is a slippery slope...   May 20 2006, 05:02 PM
- - ngunn   My comment was about astronomy, as in studying cel...   May 20 2006, 08:25 PM
- - ljk4-1   Astrophysics, abstract astro-ph/0605745 From: Da...   Jun 1 2006, 04:04 PM


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