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post Dec 21 2005, 10:39 PM
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Acidic water or volcanoes / impacts? The debate is on! I kind of like this actually, for my birthday today (39 now, getting old).... wink.gif

Updates regarding this today from Nature, CU and Space.com:

The Waters Ran Shallow
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v438/...e051222-10.html

Mars Region Probably Less Watery In Past Than Thought, Says Study
http://www.colorado.edu/news/releases/2005/470.html

New Studies Question Mars Water Assumptions
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/051221_mars_dry.html

Regardless though of whether they are correct or not regarding the acidic sulphate deposits in these scenarios, the earlier clays are still another matter...!

The Space.com article includes comments from Squyres (who it says was not contacted prior to the article being published):

"Squyres said a deeper understanding of the situation came when Opportunity examined Endurance Crater, where observations were made of 25 vertical feet of rock outcrops. Those results were published just a month ago, after the two Nature papers had been submitted. Knauth, McCollom and Hynek "hadn't seen that stuff when they wrote their papers," Squyres said. The nature of the layering and grain sizes deeper inside Endurance Crater "is absolutely incompatible with a volcanic or impact origin," Squyres said. It is "completely compatible" with the idea of windblown material, and the upper meter or so "shows evidence for deposition of water. The chemistry varies with depth in a way that requires that subsurface liquid water interacted with the rocks after they were deposited." Squyres emphasized that his team has always thought the water was mostly underground, occasionally creating small surface lakes that evaporated quickly. Squyres also stressed that nobody has done anything other than good science with the data available. "It's always good to have alternative hypotheses," he said. "In the end, the best ideas win. It forces everybody to go back and sharpen their arguments. All of this is a good thing."
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post Dec 27 2005, 07:43 AM
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Yep. We have got to see more of the section. There's no debate there. But this is a really interesting place. It's too bad Opportunity has been immobilized for so long. There are targets all around it that would fill in some of the details.

There seems to be quite a fight brewing in this Great Meridiani Debate. It's quite interesting to watch. My best guess at this point is that they are arguing about a location for a sample return mission. Anyone have any other ideas?


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post Mar 8 2006, 12:52 AM
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QUOTE (CosmicRocker @ Dec 27 2005, 02:43 AM) *
Yep. We have got to see more of the section. There's no debate there. But this is a really interesting place. It's too bad Opportunity has been immobilized for so long. There are targets all around it that would fill in some of the details.

There seems to be quite a fight brewing in this Great Meridiani Debate. It's quite interesting to watch. My best guess at this point is that they are arguing about a location for a sample return mission. Anyone have any other ideas?



I been wondering for some time now if we could see a sample return collector rover enter say endurance crater,that exact crater.We know what's there. If you send the sample return rover to some other part of the planet or some other part of Meridiani Planum you don't know exactly what you would find. Would you want to take the risk of sending it to location that your not definitely sure of because you haven't been there on the ground and may not get the sample your after. Of course we don't know what MSL is going to find that you might want to bring back to Earth.that could change this equation.
That would be strange to see a return sample rover entering Victoria crater and seeing a broken down oppy or a oppy that has taken a suicide plunge into the crater.

Could a scenario like this take place ? In 6-10 years could we obtain this degree of accuracy in a landing site ?
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- paulanderson   The Great Meridiani Debate   Dec 21 2005, 10:39 PM
- - tty   Volcanic ash layers I might believe in. But they w...   Dec 21 2005, 11:31 PM
|- - sranderson   Odd that people are still wondering if there was e...   Dec 22 2005, 04:17 AM
|- - paulanderson   QUOTE (sranderson @ Dec 21 2005, 08:17 PM)And...   Dec 22 2005, 07:34 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   I've been engaged in an E-mail exchange with B...   Dec 22 2005, 06:14 AM
- - CosmicRocker   AlexBlackwell started a similar thread in the Mars...   Dec 22 2005, 06:17 AM
- - nprev   I agree that it's both interesting and positiv...   Dec 22 2005, 06:44 AM
- - nprev   ...and on that last note, what do you think of per...   Dec 22 2005, 06:49 AM
- - Sunspot   Take a look at spacetoday.net, this new theory is ...   Dec 22 2005, 09:43 AM
|- - paulanderson   QUOTE (Sunspot @ Dec 22 2005, 01:43 AM)Take a...   Dec 22 2005, 06:28 PM
- - edstrick   The sulfate enriched and altered rocks and the sul...   Dec 22 2005, 10:54 AM
- - abalone   http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n0512/21marswat...   Dec 22 2005, 12:25 PM
- - dvandorn   There has been a definite "movement" out...   Dec 22 2005, 12:58 PM
|- - abalone   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Dec 22 2005, 11:58 PM)I...   Dec 23 2005, 08:30 AM
|- - nprev   QUOTE (abalone @ Dec 23 2005, 01:30 AM)My rec...   Dec 23 2005, 08:38 AM
||- - nprev   A little more on the post-volcanic freeze-out scen...   Dec 23 2005, 08:53 AM
|- - paulanderson   QUOTE (abalone @ Dec 23 2005, 12:30 AM)My rec...   Dec 23 2005, 09:48 AM
|- - tty   QUOTE (abalone @ Dec 23 2005, 10:30 AM)The gl...   Dec 23 2005, 05:43 PM
|- - nprev   QUOTE (tty @ Dec 23 2005, 10:43 AM)Imagine th...   Dec 24 2005, 01:28 AM
- - Bill Harris   Ah, the side-road of the brine-splat speculation. ...   Dec 22 2005, 01:35 PM
- - CosmicRocker   I just got the publications today, but I haven...   Dec 23 2005, 06:10 AM
- - Burmese   It must be a frustrating position to be in to prod...   Dec 23 2005, 01:39 PM
|- - helvick   QUOTE (Burmese @ Dec 23 2005, 02:39 PM)It mus...   Dec 23 2005, 02:06 PM
- - paulanderson   I received an interesting e-mail this morning from...   Dec 23 2005, 08:28 PM
- - tty   These ASU people are positively dotty: QUOTE Impa...   Dec 23 2005, 11:02 PM
- - Bill Harris   Looking at this data on a day-to-day basis we (her...   Dec 24 2005, 12:24 AM
- - CosmicRocker   I'm trying to keep an open mind, but it sure s...   Dec 24 2005, 05:11 AM
|- - paulanderson   QUOTE (CosmicRocker @ Dec 23 2005, 09:11 PM)B...   Dec 24 2005, 05:28 AM
- - CosmicRocker   Oh man, I'm way behind on the clay stuff. Tha...   Dec 24 2005, 05:41 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   The important thing to keep in mind is that ALL th...   Dec 24 2005, 08:11 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   If you REALLY like irony: the landing site picked ...   Dec 24 2005, 08:18 AM
- - Myran   QUOTE CosmicRocker said: But the people who wrote ...   Dec 24 2005, 09:15 AM
|- - sranderson   QUOTE (Myran @ Dec 24 2005, 03:15 AM)Sorry fo...   Dec 24 2005, 08:42 PM
- - edstrick   Note that from the Mariner 9 discovery of outflow ...   Dec 24 2005, 10:12 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   One -- but only one -- of the articles on MER-B...   Dec 24 2005, 10:48 AM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Dec 24 2005, 10:48 A...   Mar 8 2006, 12:11 AM
|- - Shaka   QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Mar 7 2006, 02:11 ...   Mar 8 2006, 12:47 AM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (Shaka @ Mar 8 2006, 12:47 AM) I ha...   Mar 8 2006, 12:49 AM
- - CosmicRocker   Yep. We have got to see more of the section. The...   Dec 27 2005, 07:43 AM
|- - BillyMER   QUOTE (CosmicRocker @ Dec 27 2005, 02:43 ...   Mar 8 2006, 12:52 AM
|- - Shaka   QUOTE (BillyMER @ Mar 7 2006, 02:52 PM) I...   Mar 8 2006, 01:15 AM
|- - BillyMER   QUOTE (Shaka @ Mar 7 2006, 08:15 PM) Heck...   Mar 8 2006, 01:46 AM
|- - Shaka   QUOTE (BillyMER @ Mar 7 2006, 03:46 PM) y...   Mar 8 2006, 02:01 AM
- - Reckless   I think debate might have some impact on the sampl...   Dec 27 2005, 10:58 AM
- - Bill Harris   We do need to see more of the section, but this is...   Dec 27 2005, 11:10 AM
- - djellison   I'd rather Spirit and Opportunity stayed over ...   Mar 8 2006, 08:38 AM
- - odave   I've been daydreaming along the same lines, th...   Mar 8 2006, 02:42 PM


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