Nasa announces new rover mission to Mars in 2020 |
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Nasa announces new rover mission to Mars in 2020 |
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More information about the helicopter here: https://trs.jpl.nasa.gov/bitstream/handle/2...L%2317-6243.pdf Brilliant. Thanks. That answers my question. I'll take away that the landing system is fairly robust in terms of surface properties (soft/hard) but that the area for a test flight should only contain a few rocks higher than 5 cm and a general slope of up to 10 degrees. |
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Getting exciting as we approach the launch date.
Just watching the final assembly of the rover and packing for the transit to Mars, along with some great detail pictures of the 'skycrane'. Was wondering if anyone had any reference to PDFs etc. on the development of this part of the EDL? And the control software? For example, was this one (or Curiosity's) system tested in any way, as per the helicopter? Or was that impractical and it was all done with simulations and component testing? Thanks for any detail:) |
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Junior Member ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 39 Joined: 9-August 12 From: London, UK Member No.: 6521 ![]() |
Getting exciting as we approach the launch date. Just watching the final assembly of the rover and packing for the transit to Mars, along with some great detail pictures of the 'skycrane'. Was wondering if anyone had any reference to PDFs etc. on the development of this part of the EDL? And the control software? For example, was this one (or Curiosity's) system tested in any way, as per the helicopter? Or was that impractical and it was all done with simulations and component testing? Thanks for any detail:) Answering my own post here but managed to locate a few interesting PDFs about the Descent Stage for MSL/Curiosity. Not sure how much of the system has been upgraded for this mission though. |
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Not sure how much of the system has been upgraded for this mission though. A good source of information is the JPL Tech Report Server at https://trs.jpl.nasa.gov . Go there and search for "skycrane". See, for example, https://trs.jpl.nasa.gov/bitstream/handle/2...L%2316-2401.pdf -------------------- Disclaimer: This post is based on public information only. Any opinions are my own.
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When I said "fluid loop" I meant "fluid loop heated by the RTG". Look at the Cassini and Galileo examples, that had big RTGs and a whole bunch of little RHUs, leaving all the RTG heat just being wasted into space. Of course fluid loops have their own problems. Technically there were fluid loops in the Cassini RTGs, but they were for cooling during ground handling - they didnt take the heat to the spacecraft. There was some exploitation of conducted/radiated heat in keeping the propulsion system a bit warm, but in fact there were shields to keep the RTGs from radiating too much heat onto the instruments. A recent example of a non-RTG non-rover pumped fluid loop is Parker Solar Probe. Dragonfly (which you could not unreasonably describe as a rover) will use a fluid loop, in the same way as Curiosity. |
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Technically there were fluid loops in the Cassini RTGs, but they were for cooling during ground handling - they didnt take the heat to the spacecraft. There was some exploitation of conducted/radiated heat in keeping the propulsion system a bit warm, but in fact there were shields to keep the RTGs from radiating too much heat onto the instruments. For that matter, the Viking landers had a fluid loop, also primarily used during ground handling to keep the lander interior cool (each of the landers' two RTGs produced more heat in Earth's sea-level-pressure and warmish atmosphere environment than in vacuum or on the surface of Mars). The coolant loop was also used during the two-day terminal sterilization cycle when the lander was baked in a giant oven, to pump sterile hot water through the loop to heat the lander interior more quickly than would otherwise occur due to the very effective body insulation. During portions of the on-surface mission corresponding to Mars local winter, heat from the RTGs was conducted into the lander via automatic Thermal Switches. |
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Launch delayed to the 30th due to rocket sensor issue. They are extending the optimistic launch window to the 15th of August.
https://www.mynews13.com/fl/orlando/ap-onli...eks-left-to-fly -------------------- "Thats no moon... IT'S A TRAP!"
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Here is a Google Earth overlay showing the rover/drone landing site. It has a geologic overlay map and a HiRISE image covering most of the ellipse. Would do the same for Tianwen but... it's just a giant polygon over Utopia.
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-------------------- "Thats no moon... IT'S A TRAP!"
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I'm curious about MOXIE. It separates oxygen from the carbon in CO2. The Oxygen is released as a gas, but what form will the carbon be?
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I'm curious about MOXIE. It separates oxygen from the carbon in CO2. The Oxygen is released as a gas, but what form will the carbon be? Dumped as gaseous carbon monoxide and unseparated CO2. It's worth noting that AFAIK the O2 is not actually collected, just measured to see that it existed. You could ask how useful this really is, but I'm not a chemist so my opinion doesn't count. https://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/marsdust2017/pdf/6036.pdf -------------------- Disclaimer: This post is based on public information only. Any opinions are my own.
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Here is a Google Earth overlay showing the rover/drone landing site. It has a geologic overlay map and a HiRISE image covering most of the ellipse. Would do the same for Tianwen but... it's just a giant polygon over Utopia. Thanks for that. I wonder what route the rover will take? Here is a wild guess: W then SW until it finds a way up the escarpment: |
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I found this resource on NASA's own site to be misleading:
An animation at https://mars.nasa.gov/mars2020/timeline/surface-operations/ Shows a mission traversal in which the rover climbs the fan deposit once and returns to the bottom, leaving a cache. Then it climbs on a second, similar but different route, and returns to the bottom, leaving the other cache. Other discussion here indicates that the plan is to ascend the south (from Perseverance's POV, left) side of the fan deposit, and keep going west, leaving two caches atop the plain outside the crater. If the second is correct, it's unfortunate that NASA has an animation with incorrect information featured so prominently. |
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To be fair, considering that MSR mission design is still evolving it may be asking a lot to hold them to a high standard of accuracy here. Investing the time and money to update this & other EPO/PR tool every time things change before CDR (which is undoubtedly still years away) doesn't seem like a wise use of resources.
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