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 Jun 28 2010, 06:45 PM
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Member  Group: Members Posts: 104 Joined: 1-June 08 Member No.: 4172  |
To tow the Lada!
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Jun 28 2010, 07:14 PM
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 Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 3648 Joined: 1-October 05 From: Croatia Member No.: 523 |
Now that's just silly. Everyone knows Lada is self-propelled.
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Jun 28 2010, 07:18 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1074 Joined: 21-September 07 From: Québec, Canada Member No.: 3908 |
QUOTE (Paolo @ Jun 28 2010, 01:29 PM)  and what is the bicycle in the right corner for? Spare parts? |
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Jun 28 2010, 11:24 PM
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Solar System Cartographer Group: Members Posts: 10145 Joined: 5-April 05 From: Canada Member No.: 227 |
Now people, could we please try to take this seriously?
Phil -------------------- ... because the Solar System ain't gonna map itself.
Also to be found posting similar content on https://mastodon.social/@PhilStooke NOTE: everything created by me which I post on UMSF is considered to be in the public domain (NOT CC, public domain) |
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Jun 29 2010, 05:53 AM
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Jun 29 2010, 01:45 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 293 Joined: 29-August 06 From: Columbia, MD Member No.: 1083 |
Not trying to be negative here, but just realistic...I don't think this mission has a snowball's chance to accomplish all its goals. Shouldn't Russia try something a little less ambitious for it's first mission in 20 years than the longest sample return mission yet attempted? Perhaps an orbiter with a new instrument suite?
Honestly, I'll be amazed if this mission even gets into orbit. |
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Jun 29 2010, 02:07 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 3648 Joined: 1-October 05 From: Croatia Member No.: 523 |
QUOTE (Drkskywxlt @ Jun 29 2010, 03:45 PM) Shouldn't Russia try something a little less ambitious for it's first mission in 20 years than the longest sample return mission yet attempted? What are your thoughts on JAXA and Hayabusa? -------------------- |
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Jun 29 2010, 03:13 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 293 Joined: 29-August 06 From: Columbia, MD Member No.: 1083 |
QUOTE (ugordan @ Jun 29 2010, 10:07 AM) What are your thoughts on JAXA and Hayabusa? Hayabusa was a technology demonstration as a primary mission. JAXA knew it was a longshot to return samples. Also, JAXA has built up a broad, experienced talent base working on several planetary missions in the last 10-20 years. They have the engineering and scientific know-how well honed. Russia had that knowledge and, as shown in that BBC article, has lost it or it is pretty rusty. I think it's great that they want to start flying missions again, but I think they ought to start small. If Phobos-Grunt was a US mission, it would be New Frontiers class, most likely. Japan, China, and India have all started with (successful) but much smaller missions to get their feet off the ground. |
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Jun 29 2010, 03:47 PM
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Founder Group: Chairman Posts: 14431 Joined: 8-February 04 Member No.: 1 |
They started small. 50 years ago.
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Jun 29 2010, 03:50 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 293 Joined: 29-August 06 From: Columbia, MD Member No.: 1083 |
full inline quote removed - admin
Of course they did...and they had great success. Now they're starting over. |
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Jun 29 2010, 03:54 PM
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Founder Group: Chairman Posts: 14431 Joined: 8-February 04 Member No.: 1 |
Like it or not - they're doing this. And 'I told you so' if it fails is really rather bad taste, because none of us is equipped with enough information about how well this mission has actually come together and how realistic and ambitious it actually is.
As discussions go, it's fairly rich in futility. |
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Jun 29 2010, 03:59 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1074 Joined: 21-September 07 From: Québec, Canada Member No.: 3908 |
Coming back to the picture on post 327, surely this must be just a mock-up, not the real thing. I don't think they would transport the hardware like that without encasing it in some protective box or something.
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Jun 29 2010, 06:22 PM
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 Director of Galilean Photography Group: Members Posts: 896 Joined: 15-July 04 From: Austin, TX Member No.: 93 |
In Soviet Russia, space probes put you in the box!
One would assume that they plan to put this into an oven or something for planetary protection purposes, right? -------------------- Space Enthusiast Richard Hendricks
-- "The engineers, as usual, made a tremendous fuss. Again as usual, they did the job in half the time they had dismissed as being absolutely impossible." --Rescue Party, Arthur C Clarke Mother Nature is the final inspector of all quality. |
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Jun 29 2010, 07:51 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 293 Joined: 29-August 06 From: Columbia, MD Member No.: 1083 |
QUOTE (djellison @ Jun 29 2010, 11:54 AM) Like it or not - they're doing this. And 'I told you so' if it fails is really rather bad taste, because none of us is equipped with enough information about how well this mission has actually come together and how realistic and ambitious it actually is. As discussions go, it's fairly rich in futility. I'm not trying to act haughty and set myself up for "I told you so". If this works, I think it'll be fantastic! No, we don't have much information about this, but I think there's enough in the media and we all know enough about NASA/ESA spacecraft to make some comparisons. This is a very ambitious mission done on a budget that's most likely nowhere near what a comparable mission would budget in the US or Europe. That strains credibility and makes me doubt its success possibilities. I think if most people reading this look at it objectively, they'd come to the same conclusion as I. Again...I'm not wishing disaster or failure. I just wish they'd improve their odds by shooting at a lot lower target. |
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Jun 29 2010, 08:05 PM
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 Merciless Robot Group: Admin Posts: 8783 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
QUOTE (hendric @ Jun 29 2010, 10:22 AM) One would assume that they plan to put this into an oven or something for planetary protection purposes, right? How does that work exactly in the case of Phobos-Grunt? Do they have to sterilize to Mars surface standards as a precaution against accidental impact, or to the (presumably much less stringent, if any) standards for asteroids & other small bodies, or just do the standard stuff (nothing?) for straight orbiters? -------------------- A few will take this knowledge and use this power of a dream realized as a force for change, an impetus for further discovery to make less ancient dreams real.
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