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Getting to 'Big Crater', A little premature speculation
SFJCody
post Sep 21 2006, 11:57 AM
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Opportunity is not quite at Victoria yet, but on the horizon is a tantalising goal for the future- the big eroded crater to the south-east, the rim of which is already visible. This is the first 'large scale' topography of the mission so far. Wouldn't it be great if Opportunity could get to these hills and uncover their secrets?

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post Sep 21 2006, 04:34 PM
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QUOTE (SFJCody @ Sep 21 2006, 04:57 AM) *
Opportunity is not quite at Victoria yet, but on the horizon is a tantalising goal for the future- the big eroded crater to the south-east, the rim of which is already visible. This is the first 'large scale' topography of the mission so far. Wouldn't it be great if Opportunity could get to these hills and uncover their secrets?

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sfjcody2/route_to_big.jpg


It would indeed be nice to be able to explore that crater, but we need to remember the condition of the rover at present, the fact that it's way "out of waranty" at this time, and that it will likely take the better part of a year to explore Victoria in sufficient detail.

It is the project's policy to name craters only as we visit them, and the names used are project-specific - not IAU approved. That crater is 22 kilometers in diameter, and based on the IAU convention for naming craters on Mars would be named after a city on Earth with a population under 100,000. Craters greater than 100 kilometers in diameter are named after famous scientists, at least 3 years after their passing.

The view, though, is quite glorious from here! Wait until we get to the rim!

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post Sep 22 2006, 12:35 PM
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QUOTE (tim53 @ Sep 21 2006, 12:34 PM) *
...the IAU convention for naming craters on Mars would be named after a city on Earth with a population under 100,000.

Hey, Troy, MI, USA works!

Hmm...Google, Google

Darn. Already in use (look under "T") sad.gif


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post Sep 22 2006, 02:39 PM
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QUOTE (odave @ Sep 22 2006, 01:35 PM) *
Darn. Already in use (look under "T") sad.gif


smile.gif Indeed... smile.gif
That lead us to another hypothesis that even pleases me more...
Ithaca Crater!
At a same time the home of Ulysses/Odysseus, and an hommage to all the brains coming out from Cornell University in Ithaca (population: 29287)...
We have to remind that Ulysses returned to Ithaca...Will Opportunity make it?... biggrin.gif


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post Sep 22 2006, 03:24 PM
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QUOTE (ustrax @ Sep 22 2006, 03:39 PM) *
Ithaca Crater!


Dream! Dream! Dream!
I'm already answering to myself... sad.gif
But, as in other occasions provided by this two little wanderers, something magical happens from time to time...
We are reaching Victoria and Oppy will be there for a long time, but somehow some of us feel that she won't end up there. I do. And this poem...Oh man this poem...
Text version

EDITED: Pavel, it would be a great place to end this Odyssey wouldn't it?... smile.gif


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post Sep 22 2006, 04:08 PM
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QUOTE (ustrax @ Sep 22 2006, 10:24 AM) *
Dream! Dream! Dream!


Wow, this thread is zuper nuts! We're talking about 8-10km drive? laugh.gif

This may not be totally unreasonable, especially if the science return is low because the arm craps out during the Victoria campaign. Sadly, if this were the case, there would be fewer reasons to stop n' sniff, and perhaps a more aggressive drive campaign. If the terrain is favorable, we might get up to 80m drives again... placing the West Rim in reach before the onset of next winter, depending on how much time is spent at Victoria.

Then again, I had dreamed of Spirit exploring the Chaos terrain... which is gonna be quite a stretch for her to pull that off.

This really makes me wonder what the MSL mission will be like. That could cover some serious ground!

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post Sep 22 2006, 05:15 PM
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QUOTE (Marz @ Sep 22 2006, 09:08 AM) *
Wow, this thread is zuper nuts! We're talking about 8-10km drive? laugh.gif


Um... ...12 kilometers, PAST Victoria, so from the southeast side of Victoria. And that's to the degraded rim (rimless). The north rim peaks are 22 kilometers away, and stick up about 80-100 meters above the local plains. The southeast rim peaks are 35 kilmeters away, and taller (though I don't have my topomap open at the moment).

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This may not be totally unreasonable, especially if the science return is low because the arm craps out during the Victoria campaign. Sadly, if this were the case, there would be fewer reasons to stop n' sniff, and perhaps a more aggressive drive campaign. If the terrain is favorable, we might get up to 80m drives again... placing the West Rim in reach before the onset of next winter, depending on how much time is spent at Victoria.


If the shoulder joint fails while the arm is deployed, it will be impossible to completely stow the arm, so it will be in the field of view of the navcams and bouncing around a bit while driving, so the distances we'll be able to cover will be MUCH less than with the arm stowed.

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Then again, I had dreamed of Spirit exploring the Chaos terrain... which is gonna be quite a stretch for her to pull that off.


There is a difference between planning on GETTING all that way versus driving in that direction to cover new ground. I don't think many of us expected we'd make it all the way to Victoria with Oppy, and yet here we are. Spirit may not be able to move far in a sol, but it may be able to move. And who knows how far it may go before something else breaks? Worth a try.

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post Sep 22 2006, 05:52 PM
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QUOTE (tim53 @ Sep 22 2006, 06:15 PM) *
Um... ...12 kilometers, PAST Victoria, so from the southeast side of Victoria. And that's to the degraded rim (rimless). The north rim peaks are 22 kilometers away, and stick up about 80-100 meters above the local plains. The southeast rim peaks are 35 kilmeters away, and taller (though I don't have my topomap open at the moment).


One thing at a time... smile.gif
12kms?...Do you guys have anything planned for 2009' Autumn?... rolleyes.gif


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post Sep 22 2006, 06:23 PM
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QUOTE (ustrax @ Sep 22 2006, 10:52 AM) *
One thing at a time... smile.gif
12kms?...Do you guys have anything planned for 2009' Autumn?... rolleyes.gif


Yeah! Launching MSL! biggrin.gif

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