IPB

Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

85 Pages V  « < 36 37 38 39 40 > »   
Reply to this topicStart new topic
InSight Surface Operations, 26 Nov 2018- 21 Dec 2022
stevesliva
post Apr 23 2019, 06:37 PM
Post #556


Senior Member
****

Group: Members
Posts: 1582
Joined: 14-October 05
From: Vermont
Member No.: 530



https://presse.cnes.fr/en/world-first-frenc...tects-marsquake
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
alan
post Apr 23 2019, 09:47 PM
Post #557


Senior Member
****

Group: Members
Posts: 1887
Joined: 20-November 04
From: Iowa
Member No.: 110



https://twitter.com/NASAInSight/status/1120768743284469760
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
rhr
post Apr 23 2019, 10:32 PM
Post #558


Newbie
*

Group: Members
Posts: 10
Joined: 30-May 08
Member No.: 4166



It's the big one! Well, in a manner of speaking...

Translation of:
https://www.seis-insight.eu/fr/actualites/469-quake-sol128

Insight detects the first earthquake on Mars

7 april 2019, during sol 128, the two detectors in the seismometer SEIS in
Insight detected the first seismic tremor on mars, more than 40 years after the
attempt by NASA's mythical Viking landers.

Since the wind and thermal sheild was emplaced 2 february 2019, which
dramatically reduced environmental noise, the seismometer SEIS on Insight has
been listening daily for activity on the red planet. Although the instrument
immediately presented researchers with a continual and very weak noise,
originating from both noise sources in the lander and the constant action of
the atmosphere on the surface, seismologists hoped above all to be able to pick
out the signature of seismic events from the data received every day from
Elysium Planitia. And now it has been done: during sol 128 the first
earthquake, weak but originating from mars, was detected by SEIS.

On the trail of Viking

Before Insight, the only seismometer capable of detecting earthquakes on mars
was that of the lander Viking 2, which landed 3 september 1976 on the desolate
and pebbly expanse of Utopia Planitia. Unlike the seismometer of Viking 1, of
which the movable part was never able to be unlocked, the instrument was
functional, but unfortunately it was rendered ineffective by the action of wind
on the landing site, especially during the day. This was due to the fact that,
unlike SEIS, Viking did not put its seismometer on the ground or use a wind
sheild.

All in all, over a period of 560 mars days (called sols), or 19 months from
1976 to 1978, the data returned by Viking 2's seismometer was mainly useful to
meteorologists. In all of the recorded data only 1 candidate event of
potentially seismic origin was detected on sol 80. Unfortunately no data was
colected by the weather station that sol, preventing validation of the event:
seismologists couldn't be certain that the sequence of vibrations was really of
seismic origin and not just wind. To prevent this from happening again,
Insight was equipped with an environmental station more capable than that of
Viking (temperature, wind speed and direction, ultra-sensitive barometer, and
magnetometer), and which is expected to function continually through the end of
the mission.

The sol 128 signal

Looking back, it's a good bet that none of the geophysicists who worked on
Viking could imagine that a period of 40 years would elapse before the
signature of an earthquake would finally be dected on the red planet. And yet
that's how it happened. After 1976 none of the succesful landers carried
seismometers, while numerous geophysical missions were canceled. Reaching the
martian surface 26 november 2018 and deploying SEIS with its robotic arm 19
december last, Insight has opened a new chapter in mars exploration, and has
put the previously neglected science of planetary seismology back on the map.

The event observed by Insight on sol 128 was of very weak amplitude, and
corresponds to a tiny displacement of the martian surface. The jolt was so
tenuous that it's not possible to localize its epicenter, the location of its
source on the globe of mars. By a domino effect, not knowing this makes the
analysis of the data very uncertain, and does not allow the event to be placed
on a scale of magnitude. It is also not possible to identify the physical
mechanism of the ground movement. It could be a micro-tremor from a more or
less great depth, probably in the crust, originating in stress from the cooling
and contraction of the planet, or it could be a meteorite impact.

Although seismologists working on Insight will continue to study the sol 128
event for many years to come, one interesting observation has already been
made: many fundamental characteristics of the event, such as its duration, its
form, and the distribution of energy in different frequencies, leads one to
think that the red planet, from a seismological point of view, is more like the
moon than the earth.

Mars seismology: a common thread with the moon

Unlike mars, the moon's first seismometers were placed not by a landed robot
but by the hands of astronauts during the Apollo missions. The first station,
set up by the crew of Apollo 11 in july 1969 on the sea of tranquility, only
worked for a month or so, but was quickly replaced by a network of more
sophisticated instruments set up by Apollo missions 12 14 15 and 16 in
different regions of the lunar near side. The last instrument was the
gravimeter from Apollo 17, later used as a seismometer.

As is often the case in planetary science, the moon quickly perplexed
seismologists, in as much as the data collected was very different from the
terrestrial data they had handled before. When the first lunar earthquakes
were recorded they were not initially recognized as such by scientists.
Crashing many heavy objects into the surface of the moon (like Saturn V third
stages or lunar modules) to create artificial vibrations helped geophysicists
recognize lunar seismic events and understand how seismic waves propagate
through our satellite.

This is due to the fact that the lunar regolith is completely dehydrated.
Although seismic waves experience little attenuation as a result of the very
low level of water, they are none the less diffracted in all directions by
structures of all sizes. Exposed to meteoritic bombardment for billions of
years, the lunar crust, far from being homogeneous, has been completely
crushed. Reverberating incessantly through the cracked and faulted envelope,
waveforms spread out in time and become complex. Instead of recording a clear
signal over a reasonably short time, a seismometer on the moon records instead
a very diffuse and unstructured signal spread out over a long interval of time
(up to an hour).

The way that the first seismic signal was detected on mars bore a striking
similarity to the way it happened on the moon. When it first appeared on the
control screens the event of sol 128 was originally classified as of unknown
origin. After discarding many hypotheses such as meteorological phenomena or
lander activity (like solar panel vibrations or robotic arm movements) or even
a parasitic signal from the instrument itself, seismologists at the Mars Quake
Service (MQS, a working group convened by Insight at the Ecole Polytechnique
Fédérale in Zurich) have used a series of techniques and sophisticated tools to
make the data speak, and have reached the conclusion that the sol 128 event
originated from mars, the first ever detected on the planet. And the
characteristics of the signal show that mars, like the moon, posseses
structures that strongly diffract seismic waves, and which make interpretation
of waveforms more complex than on earth.

In addition to sol 128, three other events are currently under consideration as
potential seismic events. They occurred respectively on sols 105 (14 march)
and 132 and 133 (11 and 12 april 2019). Unlike the signal of sol 128 they were
only heard by the SEIS's ultra-sensitive VBB detectors given the very small
amount of energy they contained. Although the origin of these signals remains
mysterious they are not associated with meteorological activity or currently
known noise sources.

Throughout its lifetime (july 1969 to september 1977) the Apollo lunar
seismometer network recorded 10,000 seismic events, often at a great depth
(800-1000km), but sometimes near the surface, and generally of weak magnitude
(less than 2 on the Richter scale), plus 2000 signals from meteoritic impacts.
All these events have allowed a determination of the interior structure of the
moon, a characterisation of the properties of its crust, mantle, and core, and
the proposing of hypotheses concerning its formation.

If the moon is to serve as a better guide to the analysis of data from Insight
than the earth, scientists will have to redouble their ingenuity to get mars to
reveal its secrets. The observation of the first series of events shows that
mars certainly still has seismic activity, if small, and that chances are good
that we will see larger events in the months and years to come, capable of
illuminating a good part of the interior structure of mars and revealing the
sectets of its evolution.

In planetary seismology patience is clearly a virtue, and for geophysicists
studying mars a 40-year wait has just come to an end.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
MahFL
post Apr 23 2019, 10:55 PM
Post #559


Forum Contributor
****

Group: Members
Posts: 1372
Joined: 8-February 04
From: North East Florida, USA.
Member No.: 11



Hopefully the first of many smile.gif.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
nprev
post Apr 24 2019, 12:13 AM
Post #560


Merciless Robot
****

Group: Admin
Posts: 8783
Joined: 8-December 05
From: Los Angeles
Member No.: 602



Thank you VERY much for the translation, rer. smile.gif

One question that occurs to me is what effect large amounts of subsurface ice may have on seismic signatures. Hopefully there will be enough events detected to at least determine qualitative differences between the overall regoliths of Mars and the Moon in this area.


--------------------
A few will take this knowledge and use this power of a dream realized as a force for change, an impetus for further discovery to make less ancient dreams real.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Phil Stooke
post Apr 24 2019, 10:03 AM
Post #561


Solar System Cartographer
****

Group: Members
Posts: 10146
Joined: 5-April 05
From: Canada
Member No.: 227



Very useful translation, thanks! I think the Viking missions should be described as 'legendary' rather than 'mythical'. However, the new result is very exciting and hopefully only the first of many.

Phil


--------------------
... because the Solar System ain't gonna map itself.

Also to be found posting similar content on https://mastodon.social/@PhilStooke
NOTE: everything created by me which I post on UMSF is considered to be in the public domain (NOT CC, public domain)
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
PaulH51
post Apr 25 2019, 07:41 AM
Post #562


Senior Member
****

Group: Members
Posts: 2425
Joined: 30-January 13
From: Penang, Malaysia.
Member No.: 6853



Clouds Anyone? smile.gif
Sol 145 ICC
Attached Image
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
atomoid
post May 1 2019, 10:58 PM
Post #563


Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 866
Joined: 15-March 05
From: Santa Cruz, CA
Member No.: 196



There's a new article on the NASA site showing the clouds and sunrise/sunset pics
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
fredk
post May 2 2019, 12:01 AM
Post #564


Senior Member
****

Group: Members
Posts: 4246
Joined: 17-January 05
Member No.: 152



Thanks for pointing those out. It's not clear what happened with the "colour corrected" versions - perhaps they meant to say false colour.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
vikingmars
post May 2 2019, 02:07 PM
Post #565


Senior Member
****

Group: Members
Posts: 1083
Joined: 19-February 05
From: Close to Meudon Observatory in France
Member No.: 172



A day on Mars with pictures taken from the InSight Instrument Context Camera (ICC).
The two small yellow Sun symbols show when sunrise and sunset take place.
Enjoy smile.gif
Attached Image
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Deimos
post May 2 2019, 03:59 PM
Post #566


Martian Photographer
***

Group: Members
Posts: 352
Joined: 3-March 05
Member No.: 183



The InSight cameras are partially color blind (tritanomaly, with a short-wavelength sensitivity that is close to the mid-wavelength sensitivity). Maki et al (paywall) describe an aggressive matrix to convert InSight white-balanced images to sRGB. I suspect this is a result of that extrapolation.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
fredk
post May 4 2019, 06:09 PM
Post #567


Senior Member
****

Group: Members
Posts: 4246
Joined: 17-January 05
Member No.: 152



Thanks for that reference. I can imagine that a matrix to sRGB would have to work hard to discriminate some colours. Still, the test chart images (Fig 8) seem to show that the sRGB conversion works well. Maybe being in a high S/N lab situation helps.

This makes me wonder what has been done to the public pngs. Perhaps just a white balance but no sRGB conversion? The public png colours look not bad, but I guess being in a nearly monochromatic environment helps! The flags and green and blue dots on the calibration target do look fairly desaturated, eg in this sol 10 image:

https://mars.nasa.gov/insight-raw-images/su...0004_0010M_.PNG

That's what you'd expect for an image before transforming to sRGB.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
JRehling
post May 6 2019, 01:00 AM
Post #568


Senior Member
****

Group: Members
Posts: 2530
Joined: 20-April 05
Member No.: 321



Thoughts of the mole being obstructed remind me of other cases where similar impasses occurred.

Apollo 15 drilled for two purposes, the first being the very same: To put a heat-flow probe below the surface. This was much more difficult than anticipated and led to delays and eventually accepting a lesser depth than desired. Drilling for a second purpose, a deep core sample, also did not go well, and even removing the drill proved more difficult than anticipated.

The drill gear/procedures were redesigned for Apollo 16, solving the drilling problem, but a different mishap disabled the heat-flow experiment on Apollo 16.

Apollo 14 used a sampling tube plus hammer without a drill and achieved a depth of only 70 cm.

Drilling was also difficult during Apollo 17 and consumed more time budget than expected. Harrison Schmitt, who operated the drill, summarized, "Anybody who's thinking about drilling on the moon — I don't think we have those issues settled yet."

I'm also reminded of the difficulty in placing a sample of ice into the Mars' Phoenix experiment (this was never accomplished as planned) and the outstanding possibility that the Deep Space 2 penetrator probes also failed due to unanticipated difficulty in the mechanical entry of the probes into the regolith (the true cause of failure may never be known).

All told, the rate of mishaps in penetrating the surface of another world more than a few centimeters is probably nearer 100% than 0% and, in context, the difficulty with the mole is not surprising.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
mcaplinger
post May 6 2019, 01:17 AM
Post #569


Senior Member
****

Group: Members
Posts: 2511
Joined: 13-September 05
Member No.: 497



QUOTE (fredk @ May 4 2019, 10:09 AM) *
Maybe being in a high S/N lab situation helps.

Signal levels in the lab are typically much lower than under solar illumination because it's hard to get sunlight in a lab.

The MER-heritage CCD has very low QE in the blue so the Bayer pattern needs a lot of boosting in the blue.

I'm not sure what issue you're actually reacting to.


--------------------
Disclaimer: This post is based on public information only. Any opinions are my own.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
PaulH51
post May 6 2019, 12:29 PM
Post #570


Senior Member
****

Group: Members
Posts: 2425
Joined: 30-January 13
From: Penang, Malaysia.
Member No.: 6853



Interesting Mole Update 'DLR HP3 Blog' link
Attached Image

Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post

85 Pages V  « < 36 37 38 39 40 > » 
Reply to this topicStart new topic

 



RSS Lo-Fi Version Time is now: 20th April 2024 - 03:05 AM
RULES AND GUIDELINES
Please read the Forum Rules and Guidelines before posting.

IMAGE COPYRIGHT
Images posted on UnmannedSpaceflight.com may be copyrighted. Do not reproduce without permission. Read here for further information on space images and copyright.

OPINIONS AND MODERATION
Opinions expressed on UnmannedSpaceflight.com are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of UnmannedSpaceflight.com or The Planetary Society. The all-volunteer UnmannedSpaceflight.com moderation team is wholly independent of The Planetary Society. The Planetary Society has no influence over decisions made by the UnmannedSpaceflight.com moderators.
SUPPORT THE FORUM
Unmannedspaceflight.com is funded by the Planetary Society. Please consider supporting our work and many other projects by donating to the Society or becoming a member.