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Posted by: general Mar 22 2008, 06:47 PM

Posted by: Astro0 Mar 22 2008, 09:50 PM

To commemorate Spirit reaching 1500 Sols on Mars and with Opportunity to reach the same milestone soon, please enjoy the following offering. A poster and desktop images featuring some very special words are available at this http://www.zip.com.au/~gjn/poster.html.

They have been produced as a thanks to "all the men and women on the MER teams who have worked so hard, for so long and with so much passion" to keep these two explorers doing what they do best.

My personal thanks to our resident poet laureate Stuart Atkinson for his brilliant prose (as always) and to UMSF member#1 Doug Ellison for his continuing enthusiasm and support, as well as keeping us all exploring through the UMSF forum.

Enjoy
Astro0

EDIT: I've added a movie to the webpage. See message below for preview.

Posted by: nprev Mar 22 2008, 10:34 PM

LOVE that poster, Astro0; merges perfectly with Stu's words!!!

Posted by: djellison Mar 23 2008, 12:21 AM

AstroO, official 'pimp my banner' contributor for UMSF gave me the 1500 sols ident to drop over the logo as well - I love it

Doug

Posted by: nprev Mar 23 2008, 01:41 AM

...looking forward to the 2000, 2500, and 3000 sols upgrades...beautiful, guys.

Posted by: Astro0 Mar 23 2008, 07:06 AM

That's a lot of zero's nprev, but I suppose with six wheels we can get to at least 9,9OO,OOO SOLS

BTW - thanks for the feedback on the artwork, a lot goes to Stu and his words.

Also, I've added a movie version to the http://www.zip.com.au/~gjn/poster.html for download.
Here's an under 1mb version as a preview.
 sml_movie_1500sols.wmv ( 881.43K ) : 717


Enjoy
Astro0

Posted by: Stu Mar 23 2008, 11:39 AM

That looks just beautiful AstroO... shame some idiot ruined that lovely picture by scribbling words all over it!

No, seriously, many thanks for inviting me to be a part of your fine tribute. As I say in the lines on there, future genarations of martians will surely look back on these days with great nostalgia and envy, in the same way that we look back at the days and journeys and explorations of Lewis and Clark, Shackleton, Darwin and others. I have absolutely - absolutely - no doubt that in centuries to come, when Mars is settled and colonised, proud parents will take their children on the "Spirit Trail Hike" up Husband Hill to stand with them on its rocky summit and stare down at the great plain of Gusev seeing exactly the same sunset you show on your poster, just as young honeymooning martian couples will walk hand in hand around the rim of Victoria Crater, bathed in the marmalade-golden light of a Meridiani dusk, ticking off the "Famous Opportunity Landmarks" on their tourist guide map. And all will wonder what it would have been like to be The First to see such amazing, beautiful, awe-inspiring places, not in person, not through the visors of helmets like theirs, but on computer screens, from many millions of miles away. And as they stand before Spirit and Opportunity, restored to their original glory by dedicated teams of volunteers from "Mars Heritage", martians will marvel at how the rovers defied all the odds, met and overcame every technical challenge thrown at them, laughed in Mars' face when the very planet itself tried to kill them by blocking out the Sun, and transformed Mars for countless millions of people, through their images and adventures, from a word into a world.

Posted by: peter59 Mar 23 2008, 08:04 PM

"Also on the table are budget issues that could impact the Mars Exploration Rovers — those still working robots, Spirit and Opportunity — and the overall NASA red planet program. For one, next Monday, an all-hands meeting of the Mars Exploration Rover team is slated to discuss financial belt-tightening and impact on the Mars rovers. Turn off one of the rovers? That might save some money."
???

http://www.livescience.com/blogs/author/leonarddavid

LiveScience Blogs, Author: Leonard David

Posted by: nprev Mar 23 2008, 08:21 PM

You gotta be <clinking> me. A quarter of a century after we almost turned off Voyager 2 to save a few bucks they're talking about doing something similar to the MERs???

Uh-uh, nope, not acceptable. I feel a letter-writing campaign coming on.

Posted by: djellison Mar 23 2008, 09:23 PM

Something tells me 'NASA turns off Mars Rover' is not a headline that's going to be acceptable. The next monday big meeting is important, lets see what comes out of that, what the options are, and then start the appropriate action if required.

Doug

Posted by: tedstryk Mar 23 2008, 11:22 PM

This is something bureaucrats and congress often do when budgets are tight. They will threaten various programs to see if anyone besides those employed in the program screams, so to speak. It is a way of seeing if programs have a constituency or not. To me, Leonard David's comment about turning rovers off is pure speculation (I am not criticizing him - I read this as him saying that this is what he is doing here], and I even think that it might be intentional hyperbole to make the statement "what is there to cut without crippling the mission?" Still, no one seems to have actually proposed cutting back the mission, so I won't panic until something scary actually comes out of the meeting.

Posted by: Astro0 Mar 23 2008, 11:33 PM

OK, two things...

NO, NO, NO, NO ...don't sacrifice one or two operational spacecraft exploring the surface of Mars at a reasonable daily cost, because another mission is blowing out. The MERs did it on a tight budget and timeline, so should others.

I do agree with tedstryk, that this could be a tactic to see who makes the most noise, so if it's needed, we can start on UMSF with it's worldwide voice. Worst case scenario, we could start the MERs a Paypal account.

More on that subject after the meeting next week I suppose. Until we know more, let's continue to celebrate the current milestone.

Secondly... I continue to get the sneeking suspicion that Stu has come to us from the future and has been on Mars and taken the walk along the "Spirit Trail Hike" and "ticked off the Famous Opportunity Landmarks". Your words are just a little too good to come from someone who has never 'lived' on Mars. Come on Stu, confess...take us to your leader.

Astro0

Posted by: dvandorn Mar 24 2008, 12:32 AM

I still enjoy comparing these 90-sol missions with the "these things are nuclear, they'll run for years" Viking landers.

Viking 1 lander lifetime: 2247 sols
Viking 2 lander lifetime: 1283 sols
Total Viking lander lifetime: 3530 sols

And at present:

Spirit lifetime: 1501 sols
Opportunity lifetime: 1480 sols
Total MER lifetime: 2981 sols

We're only 550 total sols (275 combined sols) away from the MERs racking up more active lifetime on the surface of Mars than the Viking landers. So, on Spirit sol 1776 and Oppy sol 1755, we'll *really* have something to celebrate. Assuming both of our girls are still rolling then.

Of course, each rover individually has exceeded Viking 2's lifetime already.

-the other Doug

Posted by: nprev Mar 24 2008, 02:07 AM

Very insightful observation, Ted. I hadn't thought of this. I've been involved with DoD stuff pretty much my whole life, and when that gets threatened damn near everybody screams, since a given major program's infrastructure is so widely distributed geographically. NASA stuff is generally very small by comparison, and therefore localized.

Let's see what we wake up to on Tuesday morning. Hopefully, wiser heads will prevail.

Posted by: Stu Mar 24 2008, 07:49 AM

AstroO, you figured out my secret; I am indeed from the future - actually I'm a Special Circumstances agent from The Culture, come back in time to monitor you and slightly tweak your history; you know how we love our meddling! - and I've seen people doing those things on Mars.

You might also be interested to know that in the future there is indeed an attempt to shut down one of the rovers to save money, but the plan is abandoned after the biggest protest campaign ever staged by the pro-space community. Led by outraged members of UMSF, who enlist the help of The Planetary Society and other pro-space groups, there's a concerted effort to get the decision reversed by the mass emailing of NASA officials, politicians, newspapers, tv stations and online news agencies; thousands of videos in support of the MER program appear on YouTube; every pro-space blog campaigns to stop the rover being switched off, etc.

In the end, The Powers That Be realise that turning off one of the two most succesful spaceprobes in history, which have revolutionised our view of Mars, captured the world's imagination and truly transformed the planet in the public's minds, would be a PR disaster, especially at a time when they are 1) wanting to improve their public image to increase the profile of, and support for, the Vision for Space Exploration, and 2) facing increasingly serious technical challenges from China and Europe and other countries. They realise that it would be a kick in the teeth for science teaching, engineering teaching and technology development in general. They realise that if they're to actually get the public to believe in the value of space exploration it would be ridiculous to do away with one of their most productive, most visible assets. Common sense prevails.

Well, at least in one future...

Guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens.

Posted by: climber Mar 24 2008, 12:11 PM

You probably heard the story "Odyssey gives clues to guide search for life on Mars".
And Alan, saying : "This is a wonderful and scientifically exciting result obtained from a relatively low cost NASA Mars orbiter mission which still has years of life left," said Alan Stern, associate administrator for NASA's Science Mission Directorate in Washington. "Hold on to your hats, more exciting results from Mars are sure to be coming."
I'm sure he's thinking of Spirit & oppy saying that ...

Posted by: Astro0 Mar 24 2008, 10:23 PM

Is it time to start shouting yet?
Can we confirm the http://www.unmannedspaceflight.com/index.php?showtopic=5039 in this thread??

Astro0

Posted by: DDAVIS Mar 24 2008, 11:55 PM

What a pity if the rovers outlast the willingness to fund them. However a compromise stance might be brought forward to cease driving one or both rovers and continue to use the cameras to monitor one location like the Viking landers. The cameras on Spirit are in good condition, The fouled optics of Opportunity would render it less useful in that capacity. I would save the imaging capability of an immobile Spirit rover if only a fragment of the mission could be salvaged.
I would like to see more use of the cameras for imaging low sun angle scenery, as well as time lapse studies of lighting changes and clouds. A fixed location camera may lend itself to increased consideration of such photography.

Don

Posted by: tedstryk Mar 25 2008, 02:51 AM

I still see it as a tactic. Looking at the amount of money compared to the scale of MSL, this is chump change. It is definitely time to start screaming, but I would be shocked if this actually stands.

Posted by: climber Mar 25 2008, 09:36 AM

Back on Topic (to think positive), here are some stats :

Date Spirit Days Oppy Days Total Days Spirit Sols Oppy Sols Total Sols Min. correc day/sol Equ.hours
10-févr 15001478 2978 1459 1439 2898 59381.10 989.69
21-févr 1511 1489 30001470 1450 2920 59816.56 996.94
26-févr 1516 1494 3010 1475 1455 2930 60014.50 1000
03-mars 1522 15003022 1481 1461 2942 60252.02 1004.20
23-mars 1542 1520 3062 15001480 2980 61043.77 1017.40
02-avr 1552 1530 3082 1510 1490 300061439.64 1023.99
12-avr 1562 1540 3102 1520 15003020 61835.52 1030.59
Sols and days are self explanatory.
Minutes corrections between Sols & days and equivalent in hours are interesting on february 26th
All this happen in about 2 months.

Let's hope we'll NOT have to launch a SOS campain (Save Oppy & Spirit)

Edit : sorry, the .xls copy paste doesn't look very great here

Posted by: bmerrow Mar 25 2008, 06:08 PM

The directive was rescinded an hour ago - there will be no shutdown of either Rover. Last weeks letter was removed from the table.
See yahoo news update at http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080325/ap_on_sc/mars_rovers;_ylt=A0WTcWBxQOlHz0gApw_737YB