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Largest Methane Spike Ever, Curiosity Rover to Examine it Further
dudley
post Jun 22 2019, 05:09 PM
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It's been reported today that a release of methane on Mars, three times larger than ever detected before, was discovered on Wednesday. On Friday the Curiosity rover had its plans altered, in order to concentrate on this phenomenon, it's said. Preliminary results of this investigation are expected on Monday. Further information is available in the article, linked below:

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post Jul 29 2019, 09:22 PM
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Ahem. If I might pedant.... many moons ago I used to build GCMS. So, for the uninitiated (feel free to skip this first paragraph if you already know how GCMS work): The Gas Chromatograph stage works by flash heating the sample and seeing how long the components of the vapour take to travel down a long, thin, column (more like a rolled capillary tube, usually) with one of a range of coatings on it's inner surface that slow the different vapour components down by differing amounts. The GC gives you a rough idea of what is in the sample based on how long different pulses of vapour components take to hit the detector at the end of the column. In the GCMS the Mass Spectrometer is the detector. This takes the material in the pulses exiting the GC stage, ionises it (aiming to average 1 charge per molecule), and separates the molecules in it according to their charge to mass ratio. So, crudely speaking, you get a rough idea from the GC, then a more detailed analysis from the MS.

OK, here's why I'm pedanting at you all: The important point for large molecules is that when you ionise them they almost always break apart - and for a given type of ionisation method most large molecules break apart in a predictable, repeatable, fashion. So you don't get a big signal at the charge to mass ratio for the parent molecule, you get a 'fingerprint' of smaller peaks that is unique to a given high mass molecule. For example, even something fairly light weight like the amino acid glycine (mass 75 AMU) yields a fingerprint like the one I've attached when ionised by electron bombardment (see attached file). Notice that the biggest peak isn't at 75 AMU, but at 30.

So the MS isn't simply analysing heavy molecules by their charge / mass ratio - in fact that almost certainly wouldn't work. It's using these heavy molecule specific fingerprints. It can be very, very, specific as long as the molecule is known or modelled in how it breaks down under ionisation. When combined with the GC stage, and a database of known GC and MS 'fingerprints' this can be a very precise process for identifying heavy molecules.

It can go wrong : Getting the right rate of GC heating, GC column type, ionisation process and mass to charge ratio analyser stage all needs some idea to start with of what type of thing you'll be analyzing. But in this case the team behind the GCMS on the rover will have had that from previous missions.

Now, that's probably clear as mud. And, if my old boss is here he will probably now tear me apart for that explanation anyway... go ahead Vic, I'm sure I deserve it.
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post Jul 30 2019, 02:30 AM
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That's a superb explanation, marsbug! Thanks for elevating the discussion!
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- dudley   Largest Methane Spike Ever   Jun 22 2019, 05:09 PM
- - Julius   What about trace gas orbiter? Insight should also ...   Jun 22 2019, 05:26 PM
|- - JRehling   Nice thought, Julius, but I'd say "could...   Jun 22 2019, 07:40 PM
||- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (JRehling @ Jun 22 2019, 07:40 PM) ...   Jun 22 2019, 10:52 PM
|- - dudley   QUOTE (Julius @ Jun 22 2019, 09:26 AM) Wh...   Jun 24 2019, 03:58 PM
|- - Steve5304   Wild speculation: Could it be stowaway crap from ...   Jul 19 2019, 05:53 PM
- - Gerald   Regarding the brainstorming about the origin of th...   Jun 23 2019, 06:29 PM
- - Explorer1   If it was a regular meteor shower the orbiters wou...   Jun 23 2019, 09:09 PM
- - Gerald   Similar attempts to correlate presumed methan spik...   Jun 23 2019, 11:58 PM
- - nprev   It would be interesting to know if SEIS on InSight...   Jun 24 2019, 04:13 PM
- - djellison   ...and it's gone. https://twitter.com/Shamroc...   Jun 25 2019, 01:24 AM
- - dudley   There's an outside chance that the Mars Expres...   Jun 26 2019, 06:01 PM
- - marsbug   Life, as they say, finds a way.... but IMHO it...   Jul 19 2019, 08:34 PM
- - nprev   And a reminder to all to read & heed rule 1.3.   Jul 19 2019, 09:45 PM
|- - Steve5304   QUOTE (nprev @ Jul 19 2019, 09:45 PM) And...   Jul 21 2019, 05:05 PM
- - nprev   This was a general reminder to remember 1.3 given ...   Jul 21 2019, 09:27 PM
- - serpens   The previous methane spike was detected by both Cu...   Jul 22 2019, 09:08 AM
- - jccwrt   A theme from the methane session at 9th Mars was t...   Jul 28 2019, 09:22 PM
- - nprev   Hmm. On that note, I've heard very little abou...   Jul 28 2019, 10:36 PM
|- - JRehling   That's a good point, but also, GCMS only provi...   Jul 28 2019, 11:43 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (JRehling @ Jul 28 2019, 03:43 PM) ...   Jul 29 2019, 02:41 AM
- - marsbug   Ahem. If I might pedant.... many moons ago I used ...   Jul 29 2019, 09:22 PM
|- - JRehling   That's a superb explanation, marsbug! Than...   Jul 30 2019, 02:30 AM
- - serpens   Thanks for the explanation Marsbug. The mud was ...   Jul 29 2019, 10:26 PM
- - marsbug   Exactly. Unless I'm very much mistaken there w...   Jul 29 2019, 10:48 PM
- - marsbug   I just found this breakdown of the SAM lab, and in...   Jul 29 2019, 11:47 PM
- - atomoid   more recent detail on the 'boundary layer coll...   Sep 9 2019, 08:41 PM
- - antipode   Reviving this old thread and putting it in the gen...   Jul 20 2021, 12:08 AM
- - JRehling   Figures 3 and 4 of the preprint try to isolate the...   Jul 20 2021, 12:56 AM


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