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Q & A With Steve Squyres, Coming in September
djellison
post Jul 27 2005, 11:46 AM
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As previously reported, there's a great lineup of speakers at the BAA out of London meeting on September 3rd - including MER Principle Investigator Steve Squyres.

Steve has kindly offered some of his time so that we can meet up and do a Q'n'A based on questions submitted by you lot.

Obviously - there will be loads and loads of questions you want to ask and only so much time in which to ask them - however - I'll do what I can to pick as many of the best as I can squeeze in in the time available.

There will be a write up here, obviously, and I will try and record it as an MP3 and post that here as well.

Steve's book 'Roving Mars: Spirit, Opportunity and the Exploration of the Red Planet' is published next week - and a signed copy will be winging its way to the person submitting the best question! *

If you have questions you want me to pitch to Steve, then drop me an email to doug@rlproject.com with the subject SS Q&A

As a heads up - please take note of the other speakers at the BAA meeting - and if you have specific questions you'd like asked of them - I'll do my best to try and get them in after their presentations at the meeting. The last two ( Profs Greeley and Muller ) are on the Sunday and the Friday respectively, but I will be trying to get down to those presentations as well - but no promises.

-Prof. Carolyn Porco, Principal investigator, Cassini imaging system
-Prof. John Zarnecki, Principal investigator, Huygens surface science
-Prof. Mike A'Hearn, Principal Investigator, Deep Impact,
-Prof. Ron Greeley, Scientist on several planetary missions, Chairman of NASA & NAS Mars exploration panel
-Prof. Jan-Peter Muller, Scientist on Mars Express hi-resolution camera team, University College London.

Doug
* 'best' to be picked by SS and myself on the day smile.gif
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post Aug 22 2005, 07:29 PM
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The discussion about image resolution jogged my memory about the discussions I had with Jim Bell way back in October 2003 when the MER teams were doing their first real rehearsals. He was helping us figure out the best set of images we could get of the Red Rover Goes to Mars DVD within the smallest bandwidth footprint. Originally the planned sequence included L256R2, approximate color plus stereo. (The stereo was in there because the "Astrobot" at the center of the disk was once a lovely machined 3D LEGO astronaut, but due to requirements from NASA HQ the poor Astrobots were flattened into stickers.)

Anyway, when we got the test set of images back the Astrobot had disappeared from both the L2 and R2 images huh.gif -- turns out the flight-qualified label material we used was transparent at 750 nanometers! mad.gif Fortunately, Jim was able to get some different filter choices substituted into the final sequence. smile.gif One of his suggestions is appropriate to this discussion: "I would like to replace R2 with L1 (empty), which gives the highest resolution image detail in Pancam images. We will use a lower amount of compression for this filter to maximize image detail. The compression level will be set so that the total data volume for the new version of this sequence does not exceed the data volume of the existing version."

In other words, as helvick pointed out, it's likely that in each image sequence from the rovers, one or two -- most commonly L2 and R2, and occasionally the L456 if they are planning on making a particularly lovely press product -- are sent with lower compression. The rest, which are taken only for color information, are sent with higher compression rates -- not necessarily subsampled (though that would be another way to do it), just compressed more. When they were writing the sequences in ops during the mission they usually talked about compression rates of 8:1 vs 20:1, stuff like that, though I'm not sure if I'm remembering the exact choices of ratios correctly. This is particularly true for full 14-filter sequences that go all the way out into the infrared. A full multispectral stack of images contains in it a LOT of redundant information -- areas in light and shadow are lighter and shadowed in every image in the stack. They reduce the redundancy by compressing many of the images that are there just for spectral info at a higher rate. (Writing that down, I wonder why they don't consider ratioing the R3-7 bands with the R2 band before sending the data to Earth -- that would cut down on the redundancy. Hmm.)

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- djellison   Q & A With Steve Squyres   Jul 27 2005, 11:46 AM
- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (djellison @ Jul 27 2005, 06:46 AM)Stev...   Jul 27 2005, 12:57 PM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Jul 27 2005, 12:57 PM)Is...   Jul 27 2005, 01:08 PM
- - CosmicRocker   It's not been too easy finding where he will b...   Jul 31 2005, 06:16 AM
|- - centsworth_II   QUOTE (CosmicRocker @ Jul 31 2005, 01:16 AM)....   Aug 2 2005, 03:38 PM
- - djellison   I've had two. Perhaps no one reads the news ...   Jul 31 2005, 09:16 AM
- - CosmicRocker   Darn it. I should have kept my mouth shut. My qu...   Aug 1 2005, 04:09 AM
- - djellison   Yesterday I was tempted to call for questions else...   Aug 1 2005, 06:53 AM
- - remcook   Great initiative Doug! Amazing how this place ...   Aug 1 2005, 04:32 PM
- - Sunspot   You could ask Carolyn Porco to get them to fix the...   Aug 1 2005, 10:36 PM
|- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (Sunspot @ Aug 1 2005, 05:36 PM)You cou...   Aug 2 2005, 01:29 PM
- - paxdan   Question for Steve: Can i have a go please?   Aug 2 2005, 07:13 PM
- - paxdan   Seriously though: Do you think you'll see Spi...   Aug 2 2005, 07:20 PM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (paxdan @ Aug 2 2005, 07:20 PM)Seriousl...   Aug 2 2005, 09:25 PM
- - deglr6328   QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Aug 2 2005, 01:29 PM)Was...   Aug 2 2005, 11:54 PM
|- - David   QUOTE (deglr6328 @ Aug 2 2005, 11:54 PM)no. I...   Aug 4 2005, 05:57 PM
- - DEChengst   "Steve, I noticed that you're also on the...   Aug 4 2005, 05:52 PM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (DEChengst @ Aug 4 2005, 05:52 PM)...   Aug 4 2005, 07:24 PM
- - hendric   QUOTE (djellison @ Jul 27 2005, 11:46 AM)Stev...   Aug 5 2005, 03:50 AM
- - deglr6328   How about: "When you are looking at the lates...   Aug 5 2005, 05:39 AM
- - Rxke   deglr6328, that's a beautiful question... I...   Aug 5 2005, 01:53 PM
|- - SFJCody   How about these: Ignoring latitude restrictions, ...   Aug 5 2005, 02:39 PM
|- - odave   Similar to SFJCody's first question: * Given ...   Aug 5 2005, 03:01 PM
- - RNeuhaus   Will Squyres lead as main scientist for the presen...   Aug 5 2005, 06:42 PM
|- - odave   Good thing I blew out of work early - Steve Squyre...   Aug 5 2005, 08:30 PM
- - remcook   Talking about the book...it looks like it is Part ...   Aug 5 2005, 08:38 PM
- - lyford   I just dl'd Steve's interview through the ...   Aug 6 2005, 12:41 AM
- - dot.dk   Ok, some Q's for the great Steve 1. IF one...   Aug 6 2005, 05:30 AM
- - CosmicRocker   Thanks for the link to that audio, odave. It was ...   Aug 6 2005, 06:26 AM
|- - odave   QUOTE (CosmicRocker @ Aug 6 2005, 02:26 AM).....   Aug 8 2005, 01:59 PM
- - CosmicRocker   It just occurred to me that since I sent Doug my q...   Aug 6 2005, 07:05 AM
- - Harder   I´m not too confident my question about money ...   Aug 7 2005, 11:50 AM
|- - dilo   Harder, you are the first (I don't want to vio...   Aug 7 2005, 01:21 PM
- - ilbasso   For Steve: "Have you ever browsed the unmann...   Aug 7 2005, 03:52 PM
- - lyford   My humble offerings - more project based than scie...   Aug 7 2005, 06:59 PM
- - brianc   Doug A couple of questions for Steve 1) Does he...   Aug 7 2005, 08:24 PM
- - Gsnorgathon   I've got a couple of questions that are really...   Aug 7 2005, 09:58 PM
- - djellison   From a dribble - it's turned into a waterfall ...   Aug 8 2005, 02:09 PM
- - chuckyvt   Come on guys! Haven't seen any activity ...   Aug 16 2005, 12:09 AM
|- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (chuckyvt @ Aug 15 2005, 07:09 PM)Come ...   Aug 16 2005, 02:15 PM
|- - Marcel   I want to ask him what it is like to be PI of the ...   Aug 16 2005, 02:51 PM
|- - chuckyvt   QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Aug 16 2005, 10:15 AM)Ma...   Aug 17 2005, 03:31 AM
|- - dvandorn   Then go and buy his book... Squyres is very fo...   Aug 17 2005, 07:41 AM
- - craigmcg   I'm curious about the strategy behind building...   Aug 17 2005, 12:03 PM
|- - Marcel   QUOTE (craigmcg @ Aug 17 2005, 12:03 PM)I...   Aug 17 2005, 01:27 PM
- - centsworth_II   Steve Squyres mentions in his book an early plan f...   Aug 17 2005, 05:37 PM
- - mhoward   Do you think the amateur community has a role to p...   Aug 17 2005, 06:01 PM
- - Phillip   I just realized that the deadline is August 21, so...   Aug 21 2005, 01:09 AM
- - edstrick   I hate to be a bit complainy or something, but I k...   Aug 21 2005, 06:37 AM
|- - CosmicRocker   It's a wavelength thing. The longer wavelengt...   Aug 21 2005, 07:37 AM
|- - helvick   QUOTE (edstrick @ Aug 21 2005, 07:37 AM)but I...   Aug 21 2005, 07:24 PM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (helvick @ Aug 21 2005, 07:24 PM)he hig...   Aug 21 2005, 09:24 PM
- - edstrick   I'd have to check pre-mission camera technical...   Aug 21 2005, 09:57 AM
- - CosmicRocker   QUOTE (helvick @ Aug 21 2005, 01:24 PM)... I ...   Aug 22 2005, 05:53 AM
- - edstrick   Cosmic Rocker quotes: They say, "The two imag...   Aug 22 2005, 06:54 AM
- - akuo   Oh, there was a deadline. Well I'll add these ...   Aug 22 2005, 09:08 AM
- - um3k   Don't forget that the pancams use lenses (as o...   Aug 22 2005, 06:50 PM
- - djellison   Well - I'll be nice and let the questions run ...   Aug 22 2005, 06:53 PM
- - hendric   With the rovers still alive, how do you ever find ...   Aug 22 2005, 06:57 PM
- - elakdawalla   The discussion about image resolution jogged my me...   Aug 22 2005, 07:29 PM
- - djellison   Arhgh - those codes on the DVD's had Helen and...   Aug 22 2005, 09:11 PM
|- - elakdawalla   QUOTE (djellison @ Aug 22 2005, 02:11 PM)Arhg...   Aug 22 2005, 09:28 PM
- - djellison   Well - I can see why he might be nervous - certain...   Aug 22 2005, 09:52 PM
- - CosmicRocker   Thank you, edstrick, helvick, Emily, and Doug. We...   Aug 23 2005, 04:33 AM
- - djellison   Here's a cunning point for you If you can fin...   Aug 23 2005, 08:10 AM
|- - ustrax   Doug... Can I still throw mine?...Please! I w...   Aug 23 2005, 02:54 PM
|- - um3k   QUOTE (djellison @ Aug 23 2005, 04:10 AM)Here...   Aug 23 2005, 07:06 PM
- - djellison   Really - you cant focus on the blue ones - your ey...   Aug 23 2005, 07:16 PM
|- - helvick   QUOTE (djellison @ Aug 23 2005, 08:16 PM)Real...   Aug 23 2005, 08:54 PM
|- - um3k   QUOTE (djellison @ Aug 23 2005, 03:16 PM)Real...   Aug 23 2005, 08:55 PM
|- - ljk4-1   Squyres writes the book on Mars and the little rov...   Aug 24 2005, 01:39 AM
- - deglr6328   QUOTE (djellison @ Aug 23 2005, 07:16 PM)Real...   Aug 24 2005, 05:31 AM
- - edstrick   You *can* focus on the short wavelength image, but...   Aug 24 2005, 08:55 AM
- - stellarlight   Hi there! I did an interview to Robert M. M...   Aug 24 2005, 06:10 PM
- - djellison   Right - time's up - I need a couple of days to...   Aug 30 2005, 11:12 AM
|- - ustrax   QUOTE (djellison @ Aug 30 2005, 11:12 AM)Righ...   Aug 30 2005, 11:25 AM
|- - paxdan   QUOTE (ustrax @ Aug 30 2005, 12:25 PM) Hey Do...   Aug 30 2005, 12:36 PM
- - djellison   I doubt I'll have t'internet access whils...   Aug 30 2005, 12:50 PM
|- - ustrax   Doug... I've tried to send you an e-mail to t...   Aug 30 2005, 02:20 PM
- - djellison   Might take an hour or two to get thru the system -...   Aug 30 2005, 02:36 PM
|- - jaredGalen   I just tried it too and got this error returned to...   Aug 30 2005, 06:23 PM
- - djellison   Balghgh - thankyousteve@gmail.com it is then Dou...   Aug 30 2005, 09:30 PM
- - djellison   Right - my list of questions is all written - it...   Sep 1 2005, 08:52 AM
- - djellison   I wracked my brain trying to think of the right so...   Sep 1 2005, 11:02 PM
|- - mhoward   That looks great, Doug! Thanks for putting tha...   Sep 1 2005, 11:34 PM
- - slinted   Spectacular Doug! I think that is a great ima...   Sep 2 2005, 12:30 AM
- - dvandorn   Much thanks, Doug! It looks fabulous, and I h...   Sep 2 2005, 01:51 AM
|- - jaredGalen   Brilliant Doug, until MRO gets into orbit and star...   Sep 2 2005, 07:53 AM
- - djellison   Right - I'm signing off for now - if there...   Sep 2 2005, 09:28 AM
- - CosmicRocker   Nice work, as usual, Doug. Thanks,   Sep 3 2005, 02:00 AM
- - djellison   Well - just got home. It was a superb weekend - b...   Sep 4 2005, 06:40 PM
|- - paxdan   HA! Doug, been waiting for the write-up all ev...   Sep 4 2005, 07:50 PM
||- - Bob Shaw   Doug: Sounds like you had a good weekend! ...   Sep 4 2005, 08:22 PM
||- - djellison   QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Sep 4 2005, 08:22 PM)Doug: ...   Sep 4 2005, 09:52 PM
|- - dilo   QUOTE (djellison @ Sep 4 2005, 06:40 PM)Prof ...   Sep 5 2005, 08:22 AM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (dilo @ Sep 5 2005, 08:22 AM)I imagine ...   Sep 5 2005, 08:52 AM
|- - ustrax   Doug... That must have been quite quite QUITE a w...   Sep 5 2005, 10:45 AM
- - Nix   It was as great as Doug's splendid summary I t...   Sep 5 2005, 01:05 AM
- - SFJCody   Sounds amazing! Wish I could've been there...   Sep 5 2005, 07:40 AM
- - djellison   QUOTE (SFJCody @ Sep 5 2005, 07:40 AM)mp3 mp3...   Sep 5 2005, 07:47 AM
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