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post Oct 27 2017, 01:40 PM
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They finally found a chunk of something coming into the Solar System. Something much bigger than cosmic rays or dust particles.

Asteroid/comet in hyperbolic trajectory
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post Mar 19 2021, 01:46 PM
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In all seriousness, this comic provides a helpful illustration of the gravitational potentials involved: xkcd681 Gravity Wells
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It would be nice to have a simple formula for the results of gravity assists, but there's nothing simple about them. However, to clear up one misconception implicit above, they are a dynamic that occurs with a pair of large bodies accelerating a third, and they are not in any way a dynamic that can exist with just one large body and one small one. That will give you Keplerian motion. A body from the outer solar system cannot get a gravity assist from the Sun and be accelerated beyond the Sun's escape velocity; it can only orbit the Sun. The Sun is not a body that can deliver gravity assists.

Oumuamua approached the Sun already far above escape velocity. This is probably a consequence, as others have noted, of Oumuamua escaping some other system at a more pedestrian velocity, but that system and ours having a high difference in relative velocity.

Both Voyager spacecraft were launched into elliptical orbits that could not have left the solar system. For each, the gravity assist at Jupiter was sufficient to allow them to escape the solar system, but Voyager 1 now has only about half the velocity with respect to the Sun that Oumuamua had at a comparable distance. However, if Voyager randomly wandered into some other sunlike star's planetary system, its velocity with respect to that star would in many cases be dominated by the proper motion of the star (= relative velocity of that star and the Sun with respect to one another). It's like someone in a car throwing something out their window and into the window of another passing car. How fast the object is tossed will be almost irrelevant to how fast the object is going with respect to the second car. There's no reason to suppose that the velocity of Oumuamua was exceptionally fast with regard to its star of origin.
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- Holder of the Two Leashes   Interstellar Interlopers   Oct 27 2017, 01:40 PM
- - fredk   Just noticed this preprint from a few weeks ago th...   Dec 20 2017, 03:52 PM
- - nprev   We can't really infer anything about the spect...   Dec 21 2017, 02:52 AM
- - Gerald   The time for interstellar dust to be captured has ...   Dec 21 2017, 04:38 PM
|- - fredk   QUOTE (Gerald @ Dec 21 2017, 05:38 PM) Ev...   Dec 21 2017, 05:47 PM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (fredk @ Dec 21 2017, 05:47 PM) QUO...   Dec 30 2017, 03:44 PM
- - Gerald   When you get a delta-v by a freefall component tow...   Dec 21 2017, 06:17 PM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (Gerald @ Dec 21 2017, 07:17 PM) Wh...   Dec 21 2017, 08:44 PM
- - Gerald   By conservation of energy, an Oort object has almo...   Dec 21 2017, 09:22 PM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (Gerald @ Dec 21 2017, 09:22 PM) By...   Dec 21 2017, 11:01 PM
- - Gerald   I don't think, that a large fraction of the Oo...   Dec 22 2017, 12:10 AM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (Gerald @ Dec 22 2017, 12:10 AM) I ...   Dec 22 2017, 04:02 PM
|- - Gerald   QUOTE (HSchirmer @ Dec 22 2017, 05:02 PM)...   Dec 23 2017, 02:32 AM
- - Explorer1   I suppose the best way to get answers is find one ...   Dec 22 2017, 11:07 PM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (Explorer1 @ Dec 22 2017, 11:07 PM)...   Dec 26 2017, 03:43 PM
- - alan   Years ago someone here estimated that the distance...   Dec 27 2017, 10:22 PM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (alan @ Dec 27 2017, 10:22 PM) Year...   Dec 29 2017, 08:47 PM
- - nprev   ADMIN MODE: Discussion is drifting off-topic prett...   Dec 30 2017, 10:07 AM
- - Gerald   The interplanetary magnetic field is on the order ...   Jan 1 2018, 09:48 PM
- - Holder of the Two Leashes   Been planning for a while to get these MPECs in, f...   Jan 20 2018, 09:48 PM
- - JohnVV   with many projects going on , i was able to do som...   Jan 22 2018, 12:50 AM
- - Paolo   there was a good summary of what we have learned f...   Jan 22 2018, 06:10 PM
- - dtolman   Radar Observation would have answered a lot of que...   Feb 6 2018, 04:46 PM
|- - JRehling   Radar signal strength drops off with the fourth po...   Feb 7 2018, 10:47 AM
- - Holder of the Two Leashes   The Goldstone radar never really had a chance with...   Feb 6 2018, 06:16 PM
- - Explorer1   It was around 60 lunar distances at closest approa...   Feb 8 2018, 01:09 AM
- - Explorer1   And speaking of more.... https://academic.oup.com/...   May 21 2018, 02:39 PM
|- - JRehling   It seems exceedingly unlikely that we would confir...   May 21 2018, 07:38 PM
- - Holder of the Two Leashes   Back to being a comet? There appears to have been...   Jun 27 2018, 10:31 PM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (Holder of the Two Leashes @ Jun 27 201...   Sep 2 2018, 02:31 PM
- - nprev   Either that or just heated dust expanding and poof...   Jun 28 2018, 04:09 AM
- - HSchirmer   A papers came out in May measuring the different b...   Sep 2 2018, 02:26 PM
- - Explorer1   New Spitzer results published, better constraints ...   Nov 15 2018, 02:30 AM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (Explorer1 @ Nov 15 2018, 02:30 AM)...   Nov 15 2018, 02:57 AM
- - Gerald   This phase diagram suggests orthorhombic ice XI. B...   Nov 15 2018, 11:23 PM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (Gerald @ Nov 15 2018, 11:23 PM) Th...   Feb 2 2019, 01:15 AM
- - Explorer1   And another theory: https://arxiv.org/abs/1902.041...   Feb 18 2019, 04:11 PM
- - dudley   The 'fractal snowflake' interpretation is ...   Feb 19 2019, 03:17 PM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (dudley @ Feb 19 2019, 03:17 PM) Th...   Sep 12 2019, 12:22 PM
|- - Explorer1   Here we go again! Looks to be a comet this ti...   Sep 12 2019, 12:39 PM
- - moustifouette   Hello, Discovery of a second interstellar candida...   Sep 12 2019, 10:07 AM
- - dtolman   Most impressive is that it wasn't an automated...   Sep 12 2019, 02:52 PM
- - pbanholzer   First visual spectrum of C2019/Q4 http://www.ia...   Sep 15 2019, 03:48 AM
- - nprev   Topic title changed to plural.   Sep 15 2019, 09:30 AM
- - dudley   Interesting that Borisov's Comet is considerab...   Sep 15 2019, 02:48 PM
- - HSchirmer   Recent calculations suggest that we won't be a...   Sep 17 2019, 12:06 PM
- - fredk   It's worth adding that the Jupiter-Sun route c...   Sep 17 2019, 02:39 PM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (fredk @ Sep 17 2019, 02:39 PM) It...   Sep 18 2019, 04:34 PM
- - stevesliva   Gives an idea of how long these things are nowhere...   Sep 19 2019, 01:07 AM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (stevesliva @ Sep 19 2019, 01:07 AM...   Sep 19 2019, 02:21 AM
- - Holder of the Two Leashes   It's official now. Comet Borisov is now 2I/Bo...   Sep 24 2019, 02:22 PM
- - JohnVV   For those using Celestia ( spice enabled ) i but t...   Sep 24 2019, 06:19 PM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (JohnVV @ Sep 24 2019, 06:19 PM) Fo...   Sep 24 2019, 11:40 PM
- - antipode   Kruger 60 (DO Cephei) system as a possible source ...   Sep 25 2019, 03:12 AM
- - ngunn   The following sentence is highlighted in that pape...   Sep 25 2019, 09:35 AM
- - Hungry4info   Nearby origins are a priori more favored over more...   Sep 25 2019, 12:21 PM
- - ngunn   Indeed distant systems individually subtend smalle...   Sep 25 2019, 01:14 PM
|- - JRehling   Our system is about 1/3 the age of the universe. E...   Sep 26 2019, 01:41 AM
- - tanjent   If you were trying to guess the single star system...   Sep 25 2019, 03:16 PM
- - fredk   It's worth noting that the authors estimate a ...   Sep 25 2019, 04:03 PM
- - nprev   Yeah, that exceedingly low relative velocity was r...   Sep 25 2019, 05:53 PM
- - Gladstoner   Borisov's path across the sky: Galactic coo...   Sep 26 2019, 05:45 AM
- - tanjent   Nice! Where would Kruger 60 be on those maps?   Sep 26 2019, 08:39 AM
|- - fredk   QUOTE (tanjent @ Sep 26 2019, 09:39 AM) W...   Sep 26 2019, 02:04 PM
|- - JRehling   Some of you may find this site useful for tracking...   Sep 27 2019, 11:14 AM
- - ngunn   Great plots Gladstoner, thanks for posting. The ...   Sep 26 2019, 09:53 AM
- - tanjent   https://www.space.com/mysterious-comet-inte...er-b...   Oct 13 2019, 02:42 AM
- - HSchirmer   New Paper on how tidal effects can stretch Interst...   Apr 13 2020, 07:12 PM
|- - Xerxes   QUOTE (HSchirmer @ Apr 13 2020, 02:12 PM)...   Apr 14 2020, 05:58 PM
- - fredk   The Zhang and Lin paper was posted on the arxiv he...   Apr 22 2020, 06:09 PM
- - nprev   I was surprised to see this considering it's n...   Apr 26 2020, 06:47 AM
|- - JRehling   I'll offer the caveat that this is not my fiel...   Apr 27 2020, 06:11 AM
||- - stevesliva   QUOTE (JRehling @ Apr 27 2020, 01:11 AM) ...   Apr 27 2020, 01:52 PM
|- - stevesliva   QUOTE (nprev @ Apr 26 2020, 01:47 AM) I w...   Apr 29 2020, 06:45 PM
- - tanjent   I can't find the reference via Google so I am ...   Apr 27 2020, 03:12 AM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (tanjent @ Apr 26 2020, 08:12 PM) I...   Apr 28 2020, 01:42 PM
- - Holder of the Two Leashes   It looks like researchers at Arizona State Univers...   Mar 17 2021, 04:20 PM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE ("Holder of the Two Leashes")It lo...   Mar 17 2021, 04:37 PM
- - fredk   I would replace the headline "ASU scientists ...   Mar 17 2021, 05:05 PM
- - Explorer1   Jupiter alone does the job well enough. Especially...   Mar 18 2021, 11:28 PM
- - Holder of the Two Leashes   The Solar system's planets orbit pretty far ou...   Mar 18 2021, 11:39 PM
- - Xcalibrator   In all seriousness, this comic provides a helpful ...   Mar 19 2021, 01:46 PM
- - JRehling   It would be nice to have a simple formula for the ...   Mar 20 2021, 05:53 PM
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