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Arsia Mons Anomaly?, Recent Mars Express Imagery shows odd feature
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post Sep 25 2018, 12:02 AM
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Is that a Plume on Arsia Mons?
https://scilogs.spektrum.de/go-for-launch/i...-on-arsia-mons/

Images of the Tharsis region show the emergence of a new prolonged feature that appears to cast a long shadow. It is not visible in this attached image from 06 August 2018.
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Then we can see something newish near Arsia Mons (the vertical streak) in this image from 19 Sep 2018.
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And then most striking is this image from 23 Sep 2018, where it appears that a significant shadow is cast (in the direction of the streak in the last image, admittedly).
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I'm not familiar enough with Martian meteorology to know if this is just a normal occurrence, but it does look weird, at least to me. Hopefully someone will have ideas. If the answer to this is obvious then feel free to lock and/or delete the thread.


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post Nov 13 2018, 05:14 PM
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ADMIN MODE: This thread is right on the knife edge of being closed. Arsia Mons is not erupting or otherwise venting, and further speculation of that nature WILL result in permanent closure. Posts hidden. Please refrain from any further speculation of that nature.


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post Nov 16 2018, 06:02 AM
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Changing course...

Is there a limitation on conventional landings with chutes happening near one of the Tharsis 4? Atmosphere must be extra thin up there.

The huge flat caldera on Arsia seems to beckon for a lander or rover. The "spiral cloud" (caldera confined circulating aerosol suspension) might make things interesting as an engineering challenge.

What use is there for a high altitude station on Mars?


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post Nov 16 2018, 07:08 AM
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QUOTE (ectoterrestrial @ Nov 15 2018, 10:02 PM) *
Is there a limitation on conventional landings with chutes happening near one of the Tharsis 4?

https://marsnext.jpl.nasa.gov/scieng_eng.cfm says that the Mars2020 landing site, for example, has to be below -0.5 km MOLA elevation, with respect to the MOLA geoid. So you can forget about landing on the volcanoes unless you are using purely propulsive landing (no parachutes.)


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post Nov 16 2018, 10:40 AM
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QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Nov 16 2018, 08:08 AM) *
https://marsnext.jpl.nasa.gov/scieng_eng.cfm says that the Mars2020 landing site, for example, has to be below -0.5 km MOLA elevation, with respect to the MOLA geoid. So you can forget about landing on the volcanoes unless you are using purely propulsive landing (no parachutes.)

why don't landers make aerobraking in orbit rather than landing directly? There would be much less energy to dissipate (just potential energy from 100km altitude rather than all the energy produced by the launcher).
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QUOTE (mcmcmc @ Nov 16 2018, 02:40 AM) *
why don't landers make aerobraking in orbit rather than landing directly?

It would require a large engine and a lot of fuel to get into orbit first, but Viking did do that. You still need a parachute.

If you're talking about aerocapture to get into orbit, I'm not sure why you think it would help landing.


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QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Nov 16 2018, 06:36 AM) *
...If you're talking about aerocapture to get into orbit, I'm not sure why you think it would help landing.

aerocapture orbits take quite an extended time to slow the velocity and round out the orbit (adding operations cost to the budget), when that energy can be dispersed much quicker via the well-proven heatsheild method. I'd assume the orbital speed will still be high enough that you'd have use a heatshield for the orbital-to-atmopspheric entry anyways but i am only guessing... I was curious to find the relative velocities of direct atmospheric entry modes vs the slowest possible option for orbital insertion trajectories but ran out of time, here are some starter resources though.
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- Hungry4info   Arsia Mons Anomaly?   Sep 25 2018, 12:02 AM
- - Explorer1   A 2015 image shows something similar, though less ...   Sep 25 2018, 12:16 AM
|- - Hungry4info   QUOTE (Explorer1 @ Sep 24 2018, 07:16 PM)...   Sep 25 2018, 01:35 AM
- - djellison   QUOTE (Hungry4info @ Sep 24 2018, 04:02 P...   Sep 25 2018, 12:47 AM
- - mcaplinger   Clouds around the Tharsis volcanoes have been obse...   Sep 25 2018, 01:13 AM
- - nprev   I think that it was an excellent 'teachable mo...   Sep 25 2018, 05:07 AM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (nprev @ Sep 24 2018, 10:07 PM) It...   Sep 27 2018, 08:07 PM
- - Floyd   Hungry4info--Not clutter, a learning experience fo...   Sep 25 2018, 10:56 PM
- - cndwrld   I work on the Mars Express mission. I can tell you...   Sep 27 2018, 01:10 PM
- - Hungry4info   The most recent image of Arsia Mons, from 24 Sep. ...   Sep 27 2018, 09:58 PM
|- - JRehling   Wow, that cloud is interesting. The total absence ...   Sep 28 2018, 11:54 PM
- - nprev   Orographic 'trail clouds' from the Tharsis...   Sep 29 2018, 06:11 AM
- - dvandorn   Hmm... I know dust storms "puff up" Mars...   Sep 29 2018, 04:25 PM
- - Steve5304   I dunno...looks pretty convincing to me...some sor...   Oct 1 2018, 02:38 AM
- - Steve5304   Went back to 2009 it was visible also almost exact...   Oct 1 2018, 02:59 AM
- - Hungry4info   From 25 Sep 2018. https://www.flickr.com/photos/es...   Oct 1 2018, 03:05 AM
|- - Steve5304   QUOTE (Hungry4info @ Oct 1 2018, 03:05 AM...   Oct 1 2018, 03:47 AM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Steve5304 @ Sep 30 2018, 07:47 PM)...   Oct 1 2018, 04:23 AM
|- - Steve5304   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Oct 1 2018, 05:23 AM)...   Oct 1 2018, 11:49 AM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Steve5304 @ Oct 1 2018, 03:49 AM) ...   Oct 1 2018, 03:20 PM
|- - Steve5304   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Oct 1 2018, 03:20 PM)...   Oct 1 2018, 03:53 PM
- - nprev   This is a well-known phenomenon that has been well...   Oct 1 2018, 12:31 PM
|- - serpens   QUOTE (nprev @ Oct 1 2018, 12:31 PM) This...   Oct 4 2018, 02:04 AM
- - hendric   How can we tell if this is just clouds caused by o...   Oct 1 2018, 03:47 PM
|- - Gerald   QUOTE (hendric @ Oct 1 2018, 05:47 PM) Ho...   Oct 1 2018, 04:23 PM
- - hendric   Dr Robbins provided a link to his article to share...   Oct 1 2018, 04:12 PM
- - Gerald   Here is a link to the Wikipedia article about lent...   Oct 1 2018, 05:29 PM
- - Phil Stooke   Any substantial venting would produce changes in a...   Oct 1 2018, 05:59 PM
|- - JRehling   In two months, we'll have a seismometer on the...   Oct 1 2018, 06:12 PM
|- - Steve5304   QUOTE (JRehling @ Oct 1 2018, 07:12 PM) I...   Oct 2 2018, 05:17 PM
|- - JRehling   Just because ancient volcanic eruptions in a diffe...   Oct 2 2018, 07:29 PM
|- - Paolo   QUOTE (Steve5304 @ Oct 2 2018, 07:17 PM) ...   Oct 2 2018, 07:38 PM
- - PaulH51   And another from a few days ago? poorly convert...   Oct 13 2018, 10:40 AM
- - nogal   Dated Oct 25th, here is an update from Mars Expres...   Oct 25 2018, 04:16 PM
|- - nprev   QUOTE (nogal @ Oct 25 2018, 09:16 AM) Dat...   Nov 9 2018, 12:27 AM
|- - cndwrld   QUOTE (nprev @ Nov 9 2018, 01:27 AM) I as...   Nov 9 2018, 01:13 PM
- - wood_s   FYI, we've put up a short web article about it...   Oct 25 2018, 04:23 PM
- - Steve5304   So...lets ask some questions here as the phenomeno...   Nov 6 2018, 05:18 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Steve5304 @ Nov 6 2018, 09:18 AM) ...   Nov 6 2018, 08:49 PM
- - ectoterrestrial   Without advocating for the Arsia complex as a sour...   Nov 7 2018, 05:03 AM
- - hendric   Is Arsia Mons the only place with lava tube skylig...   Nov 8 2018, 08:44 PM
|- - Ron Hobbs   QUOTE (hendric @ Nov 8 2018, 12:44 PM) Is...   Nov 9 2018, 01:41 AM
- - hendric   I found a paper by Mike from a decade (!) ago....   Nov 9 2018, 09:31 PM
|- - JRehling   This famous (in my mind, anyway) image taken durin...   Nov 10 2018, 04:15 PM
- - nprev   ADMIN MODE: This thread is right on the knife edge...   Nov 13 2018, 05:14 PM
|- - ectoterrestrial   Changing course... Is there a limitation on conve...   Nov 16 2018, 06:02 AM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (ectoterrestrial @ Nov 15 2018, 10...   Nov 16 2018, 07:08 AM
|- - mcmcmc   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Nov 16 2018, 08:08 AM...   Nov 16 2018, 10:40 AM
||- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (mcmcmc @ Nov 16 2018, 02:40 AM) wh...   Nov 16 2018, 02:36 PM
||- - atomoid   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Nov 16 2018, 06:36 AM...   Nov 17 2018, 02:00 AM
|- - ectoterrestrial   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Nov 16 2018, 12:08 AM...   Nov 16 2018, 09:28 PM
- - Gerald   The do, as far as possible, first with the heat sh...   Nov 16 2018, 02:06 PM


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