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Venus Full Disk -mariner 10
Malmer
post Sep 13 2005, 04:22 PM
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Hi!

I have just finished compositing this large Venus panorama from Mariner 10.

I have tried to generate natural colors for the planet using orange and UV filters.

Raw frames: FDS 58870-59038
I used 78 frames in that range and then picked out a few other frames to fill in the gaps. There where about 5% missing data.

I did dark subtraction and flatfielding. for flatfields i used the venus images that looked flat enough.

Does anyone have any information on camera linearity and stuff?
I cant seem to find the calibration report; "MVM 73 TV Subsystem Calibration Report". if anyone has it, please let me have a look!

The full panorama is 4000*4000 pixels.

All processing is done in either floats or 16bit.

Take a look!
/mattias


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post Sep 13 2005, 05:51 PM
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Very nice images. Best Venus I've ever seen!

I like the colors but in my opinion using the Mariner 10 UV filter to create realistic images color isn't a good solution wink.gif You can't see UV!

The best would be to use the Yellow bandpass (730-500um) , as you already did, and
the Blue bandpass (530-425). These two filters cover mostly the visible spectrum, without adding UV information.
It's also possible to replace to Yellow Bandpass filter for the Clear or Minus UV, because Venus is almost featureless at those wavelengts.

Here's an image I've created using the Clear and Blue bandpass filters. Not much details, but this is what you would see if you were there. General color balance is a best guess.

http://www.astrosurf.com/nunes/explor/mari...mosaic_rgb2.jpg


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post Sep 13 2005, 06:52 PM
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QUOTE (4th rock from the sun @ Sep 13 2005, 10:51 AM)
Very nice images. Best Venus I've ever seen!

Here's an image I've created using the Clear and Blue bandpass filters. Not much details, but this is what you would see if you were there. General color balance is a  best guess.

http://www.astrosurf.com/nunes/explor/mari...mosaic_rgb2.jpg
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Great work from the both of you, although I think in terms of trying to capture true color from Mariner's imagery, you're trying to make a silk purse from a sow's ear. (In terms of making great-looking non-true color images, it's a smashing success, though.)

We have tons of true-color imagery of Venus as seen from Earth, and the vaguely dirty-yellow bands corresponding to the features in the reconstituted Mariner images never appear in them.

One guess of mine is that Venus's bands show up pretty well at the blue end of the spectrum just where human S cones are failing to perform (~400nm-420nm), so that a filter with a broader response shows yellowish features pretty distinctly on Venus whereas the human eye doesn't, or just barely, can.

In general, different filter systems can be made to approximate each other pretty well when the spectrum of the body in question is nonpsychopathic. If the "dark stuff" in Venus's clouds has a really sharp dropoff around the edge of human sensitivity, then a camera/filter system that would produce results close to true color when looking at 9 out of 10 objects might go more awry with Venus.

My guess is that a person would have serious trouble seeing the relatively sharp border between yellow and white that shows up in all of these images. I will note, however, two possible alternative explanations. One is that the sharp edges are there for us to see, but are situation so close to polar latitudes that they are hard to observe from Earth. Other other is that good old glass in our telescopes performs some critical violet absorption that hides some things we would see if we were eyeball-to-cloudtop with Venus (although note: looking out of normal high-quality windows doesn't make anything I know of look funnily-colored).

Venus Express should give us the real skinny on this.
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- Malmer   Venus Full Disk -mariner 10   Sep 13 2005, 04:22 PM
- - um3k   QUOTE (Malmer @ Sep 13 2005, 12:22 PM)Does an...   Sep 13 2005, 04:43 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   Mattius: Nice planet! I'll take two! ...   Sep 13 2005, 04:47 PM
- - DarthVader   very nice indeed. Thanks for the work!   Sep 13 2005, 05:23 PM
- - 4th rock from the sun   Very nice images. Best Venus I've ever seen...   Sep 13 2005, 05:51 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (4th rock from the sun @ Sep 13 2005, 1...   Sep 13 2005, 06:52 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   I don't think there'll ever be much naked-...   Sep 13 2005, 07:01 PM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Sep 13 2005, 07:01 PM)I don...   Sep 13 2005, 09:15 PM
- - spaceffm   @Malmer Amazing work! Thank You!   Sep 13 2005, 06:21 PM
- - tedstryk   SPECTACULAR!!!!!   Sep 13 2005, 09:14 PM
- - Malmer   I agree on the fact that using UV filtered images ...   Sep 13 2005, 09:21 PM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (Malmer @ Sep 13 2005, 09:21 PM)Venus E...   Sep 13 2005, 09:50 PM
|- - 4th rock from the sun   QUOTE (Malmer @ Sep 13 2005, 10:21 PM).... I...   Sep 13 2005, 11:11 PM
- - edstrick   Malmer: "I have just finished compositing thi...   Sep 14 2005, 08:24 AM
- - edstrick   D'oh. "There is some limited full-disk im...   Sep 14 2005, 09:07 AM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (edstrick @ Sep 14 2005, 02:07 AM)JRhel...   Sep 14 2005, 05:49 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   Weird story from Bruce Murray's autobiography,...   Sep 14 2005, 09:30 AM
- - Malmer   Im not sure on what to do with the picture named ...   Sep 14 2005, 11:46 AM
|- - tedstryk   Every telescopic photo I have seen has been basica...   Sep 14 2005, 01:10 PM
- - edstrick   Those are the one midrange set (if I recall) of Ma...   Sep 14 2005, 12:10 PM
- - Malmer   I wrote a simple 3dsmax script that converted the ...   Sep 14 2005, 01:07 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (Malmer @ Sep 14 2005, 02:07 PM)Btw, I ...   Sep 14 2005, 03:51 PM
- - 4th rock from the sun   All my webcam images of Venus, taken with a 8...   Sep 14 2005, 02:06 PM
- - Malmer   I noticed that the mariner 10 images have nonsquar...   Sep 17 2005, 08:08 PM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (Malmer @ Sep 17 2005, 08:08 PM)I notic...   Sep 17 2005, 08:52 PM
|- - Malmer   QUOTE (tedstryk @ Sep 17 2005, 10:52 PM)Out o...   Sep 18 2005, 09:15 AM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (Malmer @ Sep 18 2005, 09:15 AM)I was t...   Sep 18 2005, 12:44 PM
|- - Bjorn Jonsson   Interesting paper - I had forgotten the Mariner 10...   Sep 19 2005, 12:07 AM
- - dilo   Malmer, your work is simply outstanding, congratul...   Sep 17 2005, 09:35 PM
- - edstrick   Note that in addition to any non-squareness of pix...   Sep 18 2005, 10:26 AM
|- - Malmer   QUOTE (edstrick @ Sep 18 2005, 12:26 PM)Note ...   Sep 18 2005, 10:54 AM
- - Malmer   I would like to thank all of you for your kind com...   Sep 19 2005, 09:26 AM
|- - Bjorn Jonsson   QUOTE (Malmer @ Sep 19 2005, 09:26 AM)Does an...   Sep 19 2005, 11:12 AM
|- - Malmer   QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Sep 19 2005, 01:12 PM)...   Sep 19 2005, 12:39 PM
- - edstrick   I'm not sure but I think the Mariner 10 Earth/...   Sep 19 2005, 10:45 AM
- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (edstrick @ Sep 19 2005, 05:45 AM)I...   Sep 19 2005, 02:34 PM
- - tedstryk   QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Sep 19 2005, 02:34 PM)Pl...   Sep 19 2005, 04:24 PM


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