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Posted by: volcanopele Jul 7 2015, 07:07 PM

16 craters on Ceres now have official names
http://planetarynames.wr.usgs.gov/SearchResults?target=CERES&featureType=Crater%2C%20craters

The crater with the main bright spots is now named Occator

I'm working on a quick map with the names

Posted by: volcanopele Jul 7 2015, 07:44 PM

And here's that map with names (the mosaic map by Steve Albers)



So Spot 5 crater is Occator. Spot 1 crater is Haulani.

Posted by: Habukaz Jul 7 2015, 07:46 PM

I guess that makes them the Occator spots. Could the spots themselves receive a name, as an albedo feature or something?

Nice map.

Posted by: MarsInMyLifetime Jul 7 2015, 09:34 PM

QUOTE (volcanopele @ Jul 7 2015, 01:07 PM) *
16 craters on Ceres now have official names
http://planetarynames.wr.usgs.gov/SearchResults?target=CERES&featureType=Crater%2C%20craters

The crater with the main bright spots is now named Occator

I'm working on a quick map with the names


If they were to add Exeter and Interocitor as names I think I would turn blue with nerdy excitement.

Posted by: dvandorn Jul 7 2015, 11:16 PM

Trying to get my head around how to pronounce the Spot 5 crater, I googled the name. Lots and lots of results identifying Occator as the God of the Harrow (or hoeing, in modern parlance), whose spirit was invoked by priests of Ceres, but very little with useful pronunciation guides.

What little I found suggests it is pronounced ah-CATE-ore. Not OCK-a-tore.

Posted by: Daniele_bianchino_Italy Jul 7 2015, 11:22 PM

it's Strange. Im don't result occator in roman divinitY. ...

Posted by: stevesliva Jul 7 2015, 11:33 PM

I think there's a fair chance the first syllable is a long o and the penultimate is stressed.

Posted by: charborob Jul 8 2015, 12:29 AM

And in Latin, the "a" should be pronounced as in "cat", and not as in "cake".

Posted by: jekbradbury Jul 8 2015, 12:39 AM

In the Latin (http://archimedes.fas.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/dict?name=ls&lang=la&word=occator&) the first syllable is a short o but the second is a long a, so the accent falls on the penult (/oˈkaː.tor/). The https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditional_English_pronunciation_of_Latin would then be /ə(ʊ)ˈkeiː.tər/, or either oh-KAY-ter or uh-KAY-ter; a close analogue would be the first syllable of "Olympus" and the next two syllables as in "crater" but without the 'r.'

Posted by: nogal Jul 8 2015, 12:28 PM

QUOTE (jekbradbury @ Jul 8 2015, 01:39 AM) *
In the Latin (http://archimedes.fas.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/dict?name=ls&lang=la&word=occator&) the first syllable is a short o but the second is a long a, so the accent falls on the penult (/oˈkaː.tor/).


Thank you all for the posts on Ceres mythology and name pronounciation, I had no idea about the "helper gods" so I went searching. As usual, the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceres_(mythology)#Helper_gods proved to be a good starting point.

My native language is Portuguese, a Latin-based language. However I never learned Latin, so I had some fun digging around for the most likely pronunciation: it turns out there are four competing ones. Here is a http://wheelockslatin.com/chapters/introduction/introduction.html to WHEELOCK'S LATIN, a very reputed source.

So the classic latin pronunciation (I hope I got it right unsure.gif ) seems to be very close to my "gut feeling":  Occator.mp3 ( 46.17K ) : 617


Fernando

Posted by: stevesliva Jul 8 2015, 05:32 PM

QUOTE (jekbradbury @ Jul 7 2015, 08:39 PM) *
In the Latin (http://archimedes.fas.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/dict?name=ls&lang=la&word=occator&) the first syllable is a short o but the second is a long a, so the accent falls on the penult (/oˈkaː.tor/). The https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditional_English_pronunciation_of_Latin would then be /ə(ʊ)ˈkeiː.tər/, or either oh-KAY-ter or uh-KAY-ter; a close analogue would be the first syllable of "Olympus" and the next two syllables as in "crater" but without the 'r.'


"oh-KAY-ter" is what I meant by long o on the first syllable. It seems there's some wiggle in Latin pronunciation to declare the first syllable "open" and therefore a long vowel.... but I don't really know what makes a syllable "open." I *think* it's open if you're not saying ock-kate-er, and instead drop the consonant from the first syllable, opening it. But that depends on what the Romans said.

Posted by: TheAnt Jul 8 2015, 05:51 PM

QUOTE (stevesliva @ Jul 8 2015, 07:32 PM) *
"oh-KAY-ter" is what I meant by long o on the first syllable. It seems there's some wiggle in Latin pronunciation to declare the first syllable "open" and therefore a long vowel.... but I don't really know what makes a syllable "open." I *think* it's open if you're not saying ock-kate-er, and instead drop the consonant from the first syllable, opening it. But that depends on what the Romans said.


I think jekbradbury's suggestion /oˈkaː.tor/ is a very good one with the first vowel as when someone say 'oh' in short beginning with a flat 'o' and no embellishment.
But I'd like to add that the a be "open" in this case mean no diphthong to the vowel, which is something English / American speakers often have a very hard time not doing, a longer 'o' and certainly not followed by 'kate' but 'ká' then 'torr'.
Yes I got a "leetle" insight into latin due to a small insignificant involvement with biologists that are so snobbish they still use the Latin language. =)




Posted by: stevesliva Jul 8 2015, 05:55 PM

If I were a planetary scientist, I probably wouldn't want to butcher fossae and chasma and mare and all the rest either. Luckily, I can just write them on the internets.

Posted by: Gladstoner Jul 8 2015, 09:53 PM

I've mentioned it before and will do so again here now that there is a Ceres Nomenclature thread....

I hope the powers-that-be consider the name 'Corn Palace' for the large mountain. Even though the name sounds a bit corny (no pun intended smile.gif ), it is the name of an agricultural festival in Mitchell, South Dakota (which I think would satisfy the nomenclatural rules for Cerean non-crater features), and both the mountain and festival's name-sake structure have imposing edifices.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corn_Palace

Posted by: Daniele_bianchino_Italy Jul 9 2015, 09:47 AM

I am not satisfied with some names .. :-/
I hope in a Fossae name Like "Caereris Mundus", a Fossae that was open only three days a year in ancient Rome..

Posted by: volcanopele Jul 13 2015, 05:57 PM

There is a new name for Ceres. The large impact basin shown in http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA19591 is now named Urvara. This is the updated map:


Posted by: TheAnt Jul 14 2015, 03:04 AM

Urvara hmm, not Finnish unless misspelled, so my bet it's from India.

Posted by: charborob Jul 14 2015, 12:14 PM

Something http://www.thenamemeaning.com/urvara/ about the name "Urvara" meaning "fertile earth" in Hindi.

Posted by: Patteroast Jul 25 2015, 11:52 AM

Another new name, http://planetarynames.wr.usgs.gov/Feature/15361. Looks like it's marking the prime meridian.

Posted by: Habukaz Jul 25 2015, 01:22 PM

The IAU have their own host a map here: http://planetarynames.wr.usgs.gov/images/ceres.pdf

Posted by: volcanopele Sep 24 2015, 02:10 PM

More features have been named. I'll make a new name map later this morning, but one highlight is that the a mountain on Ceres now has a name, Ysolo Mons.

Posted by: Habukaz Sep 24 2015, 03:02 PM

As can be seen on the map I posted above (which has now been updated), the named mountain is in the north pole area. The big mountain is still unnamed.

Posted by: volcanopele Sep 24 2015, 03:14 PM

That wasn't updated when I saw it this morning. Well, I guess that's one less thing for me to do this morning laugh.gif

It's odd that they haven't given that mountain a name. Maybe they are trying to understand more about it before giving it one?

Posted by: Bill Harris Sep 24 2015, 03:35 PM

QUOTE (VP)
More features have been named. I'll...


Is this from the linky in the above 25 July post? Just downloaded trhe .pdf and don;t see an new names.

My informal name for THE mountain is "Tall Mountain" and my formal-informal name is "Ylla Mons". Because I could.

--Bill

Posted by: volcanopele Sep 24 2015, 03:50 PM

These were names approved a few days ago. Here's a link to the USGS page:

http://planetarynames.wr.usgs.gov/Page/CERES/target

From there you can get lists of the nomenclature approved for Ceres, including the new names (all the ones approved on September 21), as well as a map, which as Habukaz pointed out, has been updated to include the newly named features.

Posted by: Habukaz Oct 10 2015, 06:16 PM

Didn't notice it until now: the big mountain is now officially named Ahuna Mons. The map in my previous link has been updated.

http://astrogeology.usgs.gov/news/nomenclature/names-approved-for-13-features-on-ceres

Posted by: Habukaz Dec 13 2016, 08:57 AM

The bright spots in Occator have now been http://astrogeology.usgs.gov/news/nomenclature/names-approved-for-bright-spots-on-ceres. As usual, https://planetarynames.wr.usgs.gov/images/ceres.pdf has been updated.

The central bright spot has been name Cerealia Facula while the eastern cluster of bright spots has been named Vinalia Faculae.

Also, Ysolo Mons has been http://astrogeology.usgs.gov/news/nomenclature/name-changed-on-ceres Yamor Mons for some reason.

Posted by: Ron Hobbs Dec 13 2016, 03:47 PM

I was curious about the name change and found this from someone who goes by the name Mark Dominus.

http://blog.plover.com/wikipedia/ysolo-2.html

"I contacted the United States Geological Survey to point out the hoax, and on Wednesday I got the following news from their representative:
Thank you for your email alerting us to the possibility that the name Ysolo, as a festival name, may be fictitious.
After some research, we agreed with your assessment. The IAU and the Dawn Team discussed the matter and decided that the best solution was to replace the name Ysolo Mons with Yamor Mons, named for the corn/maize festival in Ecuador. The WGPSN voted to approve the change.
Thank you for bringing the matter to our attention."

Posted by: Habukaz Dec 13 2016, 06:44 PM

Ouch. I see now that someone https://twitter.com/EdvinParruca/status/649922193237929984 already back in October last year. The https://planetarynames.wr.usgs.gov/Feature/15372 for Ysolo Mons also seems to use an entry on some kind of blog as reference, which would be a rather bad idea. I wonder if there are other places in the solar system named after hoaxes.

Posted by: Daniele_bianchino_Italy Dec 19 2016, 10:41 AM

you have an image of " Yamor Mons " ?

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