IPB

Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

35 Pages V  « < 9 10 11 12 13 > »   
Reply to this topicStart new topic
Spring at Cape York, Sol 2947 (after Greeley Haven) - sol 3040
stewjack
post Jun 21 2012, 09:46 PM
Post #151


Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 252
Joined: 5-May 05
From: Mississippi (USA)
Member No.: 379



QUOTE (fredk @ Jun 21 2012, 03:38 PM) *
That looks about right.

Thanks fredk. My track record of matching low-relief terrains is very poor. However, that match looked to-good-to-be-true.

Jack
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Tesheiner
post Jun 22 2012, 06:53 AM
Post #152


Senior Member
****

Group: Moderator
Posts: 4279
Joined: 19-April 05
From: .br at .es
Member No.: 253



Here's the navcam mosaic.

Attached thumbnail(s)
Attached Image
 
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Stu
post Jun 22 2012, 12:25 PM
Post #153


The Poet Dude
****

Group: Moderator
Posts: 5551
Joined: 15-March 04
From: Kendal, Cumbria, UK
Member No.: 60



Shattered/cracked rocks at Oppy's 'feet'...

Attached Image


--------------------
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
algorimancer
post Jun 22 2012, 01:11 PM
Post #154


Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 656
Joined: 20-April 05
From: League City, Texas
Member No.: 285



QUOTE (Tesheiner @ Jun 22 2012, 12:53 AM) *
...mosaic.

Now that the "Wedge" (aka several other names) is clearly within reach, I find myself wondering: how would we distinguish between a small fluvial gully (unlikely) and a fracture-based gully (likely), much less a fluvial feature which happened to flow through an existing fracture? The obvious distinguishing characteristics of a fluvial feature on at this scale, the flow-shaped sand and silt on the floor, would have long ago been wind-eroded and partially buried by dust and dunes over time, and water-smoothing of rocks in unlikely if water flowed only briefly. It seems to me that the null hypothesis would be to assume it is fracture-based, and the only way to rule it out would be if a cross-section of the floor sediment happened to be exposed, perhaps by a small crater or intersecting fracture, and clearly fluvial-derived layering were visible. At this point, Occam's Razor has me firmly convinced that it's a fracture feature, but it would be interesting to learn otherwise.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
john_s
post Jun 22 2012, 02:16 PM
Post #155


Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 699
Joined: 3-December 04
From: Boulder, Colorado, USA
Member No.: 117



i wouldn't be surprised if the "wedge" turns out not to be a gully or depression at all...

John
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
marsophile
post Jun 22 2012, 03:03 PM
Post #156


Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 507
Joined: 10-September 08
Member No.: 4338



If there is a continuation of a shallow depression up into the hills (possible in the HIRISE image), that might be a piece of evidence suggesting a filled-in gully.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Phil Stooke
post Jun 22 2012, 05:22 PM
Post #157


Solar System Cartographer
****

Group: Members
Posts: 10146
Joined: 5-April 05
From: Canada
Member No.: 227



I think that, to be realistic about geomorphological processes in an area like this, with plenty of evidence of erosion since Noachian times (see Golombek's recent paper on crater ages in Meridiani, saying basically all Hesperian craters are completely eroded away, Erebus etc. are Noachian), a Noachian gully on this scale would not have survived. Filling it with debris and exhuming it recently is too ad hoc. A fracture induced by the impact forming the crater Antares just to the north, or a gouge created by its ejecta, is much more likely.

Phil



--------------------
... because the Solar System ain't gonna map itself.

Also to be found posting similar content on https://mastodon.social/@PhilStooke
NOTE: everything created by me which I post on UMSF is considered to be in the public domain (NOT CC, public domain)
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
CosmicRocker
post Jun 23 2012, 06:07 AM
Post #158


Senior Member
****

Group: Members
Posts: 2228
Joined: 1-December 04
From: Marble Falls, Texas, USA
Member No.: 116



It seems likely to me that this notch is a relatively recent feature created by aeolian erosion along a zone of weakness such as a fracture. By recent, I mean tens of thousands of years to perhaps a few million years old at the most. I hope we'll get a close enough look at it to see if fracturing is involved.

At the very northern tip of Cape York is an almost insignificant geomorphic feature that I have been calling the mini-Notch. It looks like a minor, wind-eroded gully that is oriented in roughly the same NE/SW direction as the main notch or wedge. This suggests the possibility of an underlying structural "grain" that could be controlling the orientation of zones or planes of weakness in the bedrock. We already know that the rock is fractured because the calcite veins appear to be fracture fillings. However, I haven't noticed many of the calcite veins oriented in the same direction as the notch.

We seem to be heading in the general direction of this mini-notch. It's only about 120 feet to the ENE, so perhaps Oppy will slow down for a few pics if she passes by. wink.gif
Attached Image


--------------------
...Tom

I'm not a Space Fan, I'm a Space Exploration Enthusiast.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
fredk
post Jun 23 2012, 02:55 PM
Post #159


Senior Member
****

Group: Members
Posts: 4246
Joined: 17-January 05
Member No.: 152



I've been eyeing that mininotch too, Rocker...

Great news in the latest update:
QUOTE
The rover continues to benefit from solar array dust cleaning events, which have greatly increased the daily energy production. As of Sol 2989 (June 20, 2012), solar array energy production was 526 watt-hours with a lower atmospheric opacity (Tau) of 0.229 and an improved solar array dust factor of 0.684.
That's just what we need for: wheel.gif wheel.gif wheel.gif smile.gif
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
ngunn
post Jun 23 2012, 03:55 PM
Post #160


Senior Member
****

Group: Members
Posts: 3516
Joined: 4-November 05
From: North Wales
Member No.: 542



There seems to be an inner and an outer bench at this part of Cape York. I'd expect them to continue northward to look at the edge of the outer one before heading SE towards both notches.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Stu
post Jun 23 2012, 09:14 PM
Post #161


The Poet Dude
****

Group: Moderator
Posts: 5551
Joined: 15-March 04
From: Kendal, Cumbria, UK
Member No.: 60



Couple of MI frames came back... tried my best to make something out of them...

Attached Image


--------------------
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Guest_Sunspot_*
post Jun 24 2012, 12:09 PM
Post #162





Guests






QUOTE (john_s @ Jun 22 2012, 03:16 PM) *
i wouldn't be surprised if the "wedge" turns out not to be a gully or depression at all...

John


I don't think it is either.

If you look at the "bath tub ring" around Cape York, from HiRISE you get the impression that there is a small vertical "step" like feature surrounding the Cape, but images from Opportunity show no such thing. I think the Gully is probably just a"slice" out of the white outcrop with no vertical relief at all. probably unsure.gif
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Stu
post Jun 24 2012, 12:36 PM
Post #163


The Poet Dude
****

Group: Moderator
Posts: 5551
Joined: 15-March 04
From: Kendal, Cumbria, UK
Member No.: 60



Well that peed on our chips, didn't it?


--------------------
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
fredk
post Jun 24 2012, 02:46 PM
Post #164


Senior Member
****

Group: Members
Posts: 4246
Joined: 17-January 05
Member No.: 152



Don't give up hope yet, Stu! I think there is some relief. Remember when we first made landfall on CY almost a year ago, there was a bit of a step up - check out the vertical stretch in this post.

We had a good look at Whim Creek (the wedge/notch) on 2917. The sun was low in the west and it really looks to me like the far side of Whim Creek is sloped towards the west since it's very bright (arrowed feature):
Attached Image

So I'm betting for some relief, but nothing too dramatic - this is Meridiani, after all!
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
CosmicRocker
post Jun 25 2012, 04:36 AM
Post #165


Senior Member
****

Group: Members
Posts: 2228
Joined: 1-December 04
From: Marble Falls, Texas, USA
Member No.: 116



There is undoubtedly some relief at the notch, but I would have to agree that there is less relief than we were expecting when Cape York was first announced as Opportunity's next goal after Victoria.

Of course, none of us were surprised by Cape York's lack of relief, either. wink.gif


--------------------
...Tom

I'm not a Space Fan, I'm a Space Exploration Enthusiast.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post

35 Pages V  « < 9 10 11 12 13 > » 
Reply to this topicStart new topic

 



RSS Lo-Fi Version Time is now: 19th April 2024 - 12:38 PM
RULES AND GUIDELINES
Please read the Forum Rules and Guidelines before posting.

IMAGE COPYRIGHT
Images posted on UnmannedSpaceflight.com may be copyrighted. Do not reproduce without permission. Read here for further information on space images and copyright.

OPINIONS AND MODERATION
Opinions expressed on UnmannedSpaceflight.com are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of UnmannedSpaceflight.com or The Planetary Society. The all-volunteer UnmannedSpaceflight.com moderation team is wholly independent of The Planetary Society. The Planetary Society has no influence over decisions made by the UnmannedSpaceflight.com moderators.
SUPPORT THE FORUM
Unmannedspaceflight.com is funded by the Planetary Society. Please consider supporting our work and many other projects by donating to the Society or becoming a member.