Ceres Nomenclature, Feature names approved for use on Ceres |
Ceres Nomenclature, Feature names approved for use on Ceres |
Jul 7 2015, 07:07 PM
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Senior Member Group: Moderator Posts: 3242 Joined: 11-February 04 From: Tucson, AZ Member No.: 23 |
16 craters on Ceres now have official names
http://planetarynames.wr.usgs.gov/SearchRe...er%2C%20craters The crater with the main bright spots is now named Occator I'm working on a quick map with the names -------------------- &@^^!% Jim! I'm a geologist, not a physicist!
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Jul 7 2015, 07:44 PM
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Senior Member Group: Moderator Posts: 3242 Joined: 11-February 04 From: Tucson, AZ Member No.: 23 |
And here's that map with names (the mosaic map by Steve Albers)
So Spot 5 crater is Occator. Spot 1 crater is Haulani. -------------------- &@^^!% Jim! I'm a geologist, not a physicist!
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Jul 7 2015, 07:46 PM
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I guess that makes them the Occator spots. Could the spots themselves receive a name, as an albedo feature or something?
Nice map. -------------------- |
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Jul 7 2015, 09:34 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 148 Joined: 9-August 11 From: Mason, TX Member No.: 6108 |
16 craters on Ceres now have official names http://planetarynames.wr.usgs.gov/SearchRe...er%2C%20craters The crater with the main bright spots is now named Occator I'm working on a quick map with the names If they were to add Exeter and Interocitor as names I think I would turn blue with nerdy excitement. -------------------- --
Don |
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Jul 7 2015, 11:16 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 3419 Joined: 9-February 04 From: Minneapolis, MN, USA Member No.: 15 |
Trying to get my head around how to pronounce the Spot 5 crater, I googled the name. Lots and lots of results identifying Occator as the God of the Harrow (or hoeing, in modern parlance), whose spirit was invoked by priests of Ceres, but very little with useful pronunciation guides.
What little I found suggests it is pronounced ah-CATE-ore. Not OCK-a-tore. -------------------- “The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.” -Mark Twain
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Jul 7 2015, 11:22 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 120 Joined: 26-May 15 From: Rome - Italy Member No.: 7482 |
it's Strange. Im don't result occator in roman divinitY. ...
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Jul 7 2015, 11:33 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1592 Joined: 14-October 05 From: Vermont Member No.: 530 |
I think there's a fair chance the first syllable is a long o and the penultimate is stressed.
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Jul 8 2015, 12:29 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1075 Joined: 21-September 07 From: Québec, Canada Member No.: 3908 |
And in Latin, the "a" should be pronounced as in "cat", and not as in "cake".
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Jul 8 2015, 12:39 AM
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In the Latin (occātor) the first syllable is a short o but the second is a long a, so the accent falls on the penult (/oˈkaː.tor/). The traditional English pronunciation would then be /ə(ʊ)ˈkeiː.tər/, or either oh-KAY-ter or uh-KAY-ter; a close analogue would be the first syllable of "Olympus" and the next two syllables as in "crater" but without the 'r.'
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Jul 8 2015, 12:28 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 968 Joined: 15-June 09 From: Lisbon, Portugal Member No.: 4824 |
In the Latin (occātor) the first syllable is a short o but the second is a long a, so the accent falls on the penult (/oˈkaː.tor/). Thank you all for the posts on Ceres mythology and name pronounciation, I had no idea about the "helper gods" so I went searching. As usual, the Wikipedia proved to be a good starting point. My native language is Portuguese, a Latin-based language. However I never learned Latin, so I had some fun digging around for the most likely pronunciation: it turns out there are four competing ones. Here is a link to WHEELOCK'S LATIN, a very reputed source. So the classic latin pronunciation (I hope I got it right ) seems to be very close to my "gut feeling": Occator.mp3 ( 46.17K ) Number of downloads: 1499 Fernando |
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Jul 8 2015, 05:32 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1592 Joined: 14-October 05 From: Vermont Member No.: 530 |
In the Latin (occātor) the first syllable is a short o but the second is a long a, so the accent falls on the penult (/oˈkaː.tor/). The traditional English pronunciation would then be /ə(ʊ)ˈkeiː.tər/, or either oh-KAY-ter or uh-KAY-ter; a close analogue would be the first syllable of "Olympus" and the next two syllables as in "crater" but without the 'r.' "oh-KAY-ter" is what I meant by long o on the first syllable. It seems there's some wiggle in Latin pronunciation to declare the first syllable "open" and therefore a long vowel.... but I don't really know what makes a syllable "open." I *think* it's open if you're not saying ock-kate-er, and instead drop the consonant from the first syllable, opening it. But that depends on what the Romans said. |
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Jul 8 2015, 05:51 PM
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"oh-KAY-ter" is what I meant by long o on the first syllable. It seems there's some wiggle in Latin pronunciation to declare the first syllable "open" and therefore a long vowel.... but I don't really know what makes a syllable "open." I *think* it's open if you're not saying ock-kate-er, and instead drop the consonant from the first syllable, opening it. But that depends on what the Romans said. I think jekbradbury's suggestion /oˈkaː.tor/ is a very good one with the first vowel as when someone say 'oh' in short beginning with a flat 'o' and no embellishment. But I'd like to add that the a be "open" in this case mean no diphthong to the vowel, which is something English / American speakers often have a very hard time not doing, a longer 'o' and certainly not followed by 'kate' but 'ká' then 'torr'. Yes I got a "leetle" insight into latin due to a small insignificant involvement with biologists that are so snobbish they still use the Latin language. =) |
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Jul 8 2015, 05:55 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1592 Joined: 14-October 05 From: Vermont Member No.: 530 |
If I were a planetary scientist, I probably wouldn't want to butcher fossae and chasma and mare and all the rest either. Luckily, I can just write them on the internets.
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Jul 8 2015, 09:53 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 716 Joined: 3-January 08 Member No.: 3995 |
I've mentioned it before and will do so again here now that there is a Ceres Nomenclature thread....
I hope the powers-that-be consider the name 'Corn Palace' for the large mountain. Even though the name sounds a bit corny (no pun intended ), it is the name of an agricultural festival in Mitchell, South Dakota (which I think would satisfy the nomenclatural rules for Cerean non-crater features), and both the mountain and festival's name-sake structure have imposing edifices. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corn_Palace |
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Jul 9 2015, 09:47 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 120 Joined: 26-May 15 From: Rome - Italy Member No.: 7482 |
I am not satisfied with some names .. :-/
I hope in a Fossae name Like "Caereris Mundus", a Fossae that was open only three days a year in ancient Rome.. |
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