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Posted by: RobertEB Mar 9 2009, 07:30 PM

Does anyone know if HiRISE images are available on a click-able Mars map, similar to the way MOC images are?

I am trying to find any HiRISE images in these two locations;

http://www.msss.com/moc_gallery/ab1_m04/images/M0304128.html

http://www.msss.com/moc_gallery/r03_r09/images/R09/R0902308.html

All I can find is a search by theme feature.

Thank you.

Posted by: Fran Ontanaya Mar 9 2009, 07:49 PM

The HiRISE Online Image Viewer has some of them:
http://marsoweb.nas.nasa.gov/HiRISE/hirise_images/

If you click Search at the HiRISE site you can search by coordinates.

Posted by: Stu Mar 9 2009, 07:50 PM

Here you go...

http://global-data.mars.asu.edu

Posted by: RobertEB Mar 9 2009, 08:38 PM

Thank you Fran and Stu. That is what I am looking for.

I searched like crazy to find something like that, but had no luck.

Robert

Posted by: Stu Mar 9 2009, 08:47 PM

You're welcome. That site I linked to is dangerously addictive tho... I like to go on there and play "HiRISE Lucky Dip": just click on random red squares representing a HiRISE image and see what appears. I've found some of my favourite places doing that.

Posted by: elakdawalla Mar 9 2009, 09:14 PM

Yeah, it's amazing to me how ill-publicized that website is, given how incredibly useful it is. I can't remember anymore how I stumbled on it myself but I'm sure glad I did! My only criticism of the site, and it's a minor one, is that you can't (as far as I know) use it to locate any of the Mars missions images of places other than Mars, like Phobos and Deimos.

--Emily

Posted by: RobertEB Mar 9 2009, 09:19 PM

http://global-data.mars.asu.edu/hirise/img/PSP_005420_2095_COLOR

Ten years ago, I was searching MOC images for hot springs. That one MOC above was the closest I could find. It has all these interesting looking channels that appear to originate from craters. I have been hoping the HiRISE imaged that same area so I can get a closer look.

I even sent in a request to the MOC team that they get more images of the site. They eventually got me some more images, but I still couldn't resolve what those channels are.

I'll have to study this new image. It is not exactly where that other one was taken, but it is close and has some of the similar features.

I notice it is a potential MSL Lander site. I would love to see it explore this area. There is some very interesting geology here.

Posted by: RobertEB Mar 9 2009, 09:32 PM

http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_007346_1405

Deep in the depth of the Hellas Basin, where temperatures and pressure sometime gets to where liquid water can briefly exist, lies a terrain that looks like it has been twisted in a taffy machine.

Are we looking at sedimentary layers that were twisted and metamorphised by the impact that create Hellas? This landscape has puzzed me for some time. I would love to see a Rover explore this area.

There are a lot of HiRISE images in this area I want to study.

Posted by: RobertEB Mar 9 2009, 09:39 PM

I am embarrassed to say I don't know how to read what the color represents in the HiRISE color images.

http://hirise-pds.lpl.arizona.edu/PDS/EXTRAS/RDR/PSP/ORB_007300_007399/PSP_007346_1405/PSP_007346_1405_COLOR.abrowse.jpg

Posted by: RobertEB Mar 9 2009, 09:43 PM

There is a 3rd area of Mars that fascinates me. Its just to the north of that first image I posted. I see many features that remind me of glaciers. http://global-data.mars.asu.edu/bin//hirise.pl?clat=32.307833439997296&clon=61.9139989000098&res=5&psz=1&rel=0&bgrnd=2&cookie=0 Unfortunalty, it doesn't look like HiRISE has taken many pictures here. I'll have to study those that it has taken.

Lots of new pictures for me to dive it.

Posted by: djellison Mar 9 2009, 09:47 PM

It doesn't represent anything.

From the HiRISE FAQ - http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/faq/

"What do RED, BG, and IR mean?
These are shorthand titles for the different types of CCDs HiRISE has. The HiRISE camera has three different color filtered CCDs: red ("RED"), blue-green ("BG"), and near-infrared ("IR"). The wavelengths of these filters are as follows: RED: 570-830 nanometers BG: <580 nanometers IR: >790 nanometers


What are the BG and IR EDRs, and How are They Different from RED?
There are ten RED CCDs, two BG CCDs, and two IR CCDs. Combining the images taken by the three different color filters allows us to create "false" color images. The BG and IR CCDs are aligned with the center two RED CCDs, providing a two-CCD-wide color swath. This means that the images captured in the BG and IR products are aligned with the images captured in the RED4 and RED5 CCDs.


What does “false color” Mean?
"False" color means that the color you see in HiRISE images is not the "true" color human eyes would see on Mars. This is because the HiRISE camera views Mars in a different part of the spectrum than human eyes do. Nevertheless, false color imagery is extremely valuable because it illuminates the distinction between different materials and textures."

Posted by: imipak Mar 9 2009, 10:06 PM

Wow. When http://global-data.mars.asu.edu/bin//hirise.pl?clat=35.70470531999791&clon=57.0858751000095&res=5&psz=1&rel=0&bgrnd=2&cookie=0 is your first pick - yes, I can see "addictive", alright:

http://hirise-pds.lpl.arizona.edu/PDS/EXTRAS/RDR/PSP/ORB_009900_009999/PSP_009956_2160/PSP_009956_2160_RED.abrowse.jpg

Lateral moraines, yes?

Posted by: ElkGroveDan Mar 9 2009, 10:12 PM

Indeed, my first thought too. I can't imagine anything else. And we are fortunate to be able to skip the debate over "was there ever ice on Mars."

Posted by: dvandorn Mar 10 2009, 01:03 AM

You and me both!

To me, this looks like Hellas was once situated on or near a pole. That looks like the polar layered terrain, except that all the ice has been removed. You see a lot of that taffy-like look at the edges of some of the polar layered terrain, it's highly reminiscent of these images of Hellas.

I would be very, very skeptical of the idea that you're seeing old terrain that used to underlie Hellas. When a basin that large is formed, you pretty well demolish the entire target, sometimes to depths well into the mantle. These landforms are far more well preserved than anything I would expect to see underneath the basin floor. Also, on Mars, a basin like this would fill in over time, not be continually scoured down to below the original basin floor. I'd almost have to believe that anything we see on the floor of Hellas has been deposited since the basin's formation.

-the other Doug

Posted by: Phil Stooke Mar 10 2009, 12:07 PM

Quite right, Doug... and another point - very few impact craters. Compare this with a HiRISE image of Gusev, where there are craters everywhere on the plains. This is a young site.

Phil

Posted by: RobertEB Mar 10 2009, 02:01 PM

I have been thinking that very same thing every since I studied the MOC images http://www.msss.com/moc_gallery/r10_r15/images/R14/R1402174.html

Posted by: RobertEB Mar 10 2009, 02:06 PM

Some of the features look like eroded domes, but that can't account for it all.

The impact had to melted the basin. It probably stayed hot for a long time. I don't know if that caused any of what we are seeing.

I have studied geology (I minored in it and taught it) and I can't find anything on Earth that is similar to this. I have seen the folds in the Rocky Mountains, but that was due to plate tectonics. I don't know what this is.

I wish they would send a lander with a rover into Hellas.

Posted by: RobertEB Mar 12 2009, 05:18 PM

Could there be a glacier like slurry of ice and rock slowly flowing across this surface? If that is true there should be deformed craters. I have spotted what may be a couple. However there is a lot of round craters. If this stuff was moving, it has either stopped, or is moving very slow.

http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_007201_1405

Posted by: dvandorn Mar 12 2009, 06:27 PM

I don't know that the landforms are in notion... and like I say, they resemble, to me, what we see in some of the polar areas. For example, here's an image of an area where several types of north polar terrains are exposed. I see a lot of resemblance here to what you've pointed out in Hellas and what we see in the polar regions:

http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_009232_2650

See what I mean? There are a lot of places in current polar terrain that look like this, too...

-the other Doug

Posted by: RobertEB Mar 12 2009, 07:03 PM

Maybe.

Longer monitoring of the area...and a lander... might help

Posted by: Stu Mar 12 2009, 07:46 PM

Glad you're all having fun with that site! Told you it was addictive!

Posted by: RobertEB Mar 13 2009, 01:05 PM

So I can blame you for my addiction

Actually, This just furthers my addiction. I don't know how many hours I spent pouring over the MOC images over the years. I bet my wife knows

Posted by: monitorlizard Mar 13 2009, 06:58 PM

I haven't been able to access the HiRISE image map at "global-data.mars.asu.edu" for the last two days. I'm assuming that the map is offline to load the latest PDS release of HiRISE images. Can anyone confirm this or provide any other insight to this problem. Thanks.

Posted by: Stu Mar 14 2009, 05:36 PM

I can't get on the site either - any of the maps, actually. I've emailed them to ask what the problem is.

Posted by: monitorlizard Mar 14 2009, 08:06 PM

I'm able to get the HiRISE image map now. It must have been that the site was down to load the March PDS release images.