Going To Mogollon..., ...and points South |
Going To Mogollon..., ...and points South |
Jan 31 2006, 12:21 AM
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Since this is the thread for "...and points south", it seems as good a place as any for this little chuckle.
The homepage for the Mapping and GIS Laboratory at OSU (the routemap people) currently features a link to an article published in the Columbus Dispatch back on January 3rd. It includes some quotes from the Ron Li, the leader of the OSU mapping group, as well as 2 routemaps credited to the OSU group, showing the rovers progress up until December 22, 2005. Imagine my surprise when I looked at the Opportunity routemap...not only did Opportunity already arrive at Victoria (which has shrunk to 200 feet wide, and is now apparantly renamed Erebus), but they have already driven partially around the rim |
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Jan 31 2006, 12:39 AM
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I have long commented jokingly that the "route map" contractors seem to be clue-challenged because their route maps have been rather pitiful. I've also joked that they seem to be cloning the look-and-feel of the routmaps we produce here on UMSF since theirs have markedly improved in the last year.
Although I was joking, I don't think I was... --Bill -------------------- |
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Jan 31 2006, 01:52 AM
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Senior Member Group: Moderator Posts: 2262 Joined: 9-February 04 From: Melbourne - Oz Member No.: 16 |
QUOTE (slinted @ Jan 31 2006, 11:21 AM) Since this is the thread for "...and points south", it seems as good a place as any for this little chuckle. The homepage for the Mapping and GIS Laboratory at OSU (the routemap people) currently features a link to an article published in the Columbus Dispatch back on January 3rd. It includes some quotes from the Ron Li, the leader of the OSU mapping group, as well as 2 routemaps credited to the OSU group, showing the rovers progress up until December 22, 2005. Imagine my surprise when I looked at the Opportunity routemap...not only did Opportunity already arrive at Victoria (which has shrunk to 200 feet wide, and is now apparantly renamed Erebus), but they have already driven partially around the rim And the Spirit one is no better. The insert is ok (I think) but the main map! -------------------- |
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Jan 31 2006, 09:47 PM
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No Mogollon Rim close-up's??
http://athena.cornell.edu/news/mubss/ --- Once we've hit all the festoons on Upper Overgaard, then there are a couple of other nearby targets we've got our eyes on... one called Bellemont and another called Roosevelt. We'll go after one or both of those, and then it will be time to hit the road in a big way. The drive south from here is going to be interesting. Victoria crater beckons, and we really want to lay down some serious mileage. --- -------------------- - blue_scape / Nico -
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Jan 31 2006, 09:57 PM
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QUOTE (SigurRosFan @ Feb 1 2006, 12:47 AM) Don't be sad...just think about what would "Victoria Rim close ups" look like... -------------------- The scientist does not study nature because it is useful; he studies it because he delights in it, and he delights in it because it is beautiful.
Jules H. Poincare My "Astrophotos" gallery on flickr... |
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Jan 31 2006, 09:59 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1229 Joined: 24-December 05 From: The blue one in between the yellow and red ones. Member No.: 618 |
QUOTE (SigurRosFan @ Jan 31 2006, 11:47 AM) I sure there will be if it's safe to approach and there is evidence of a vertical section. A layer in the hand is worth two in Victoria. Getting to Victoria is still a dream. Erebus is reality! -------------------- My Grandpa goes to Mars every day and all I get are these lousy T-shirts!
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Feb 1 2006, 06:32 PM
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According to the latest rover article at the Planetary Society website, they still plan to take what will probably be a quick look at the Mogollon Rim:
http://www.planetary.org/news/2006/0131_Ma...ate_Spirit.html |
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Feb 1 2006, 09:15 PM
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looks like they finally decided to switch the priority to driving in order to seriously try to reach Victoria Crater
quote from http://www.planetary.org/news/2006/0131_Ma...ate_Spirit.html QUOTE “It is a sobering indicator that they won’t keep going and going forever. And that is an additional reason the team wants to try and get to Victoria Crater sooner rather than later.” I'm very happy with this descision because I have always felt that the fact that the life time of the rovers is so limited should be a reason in favour of a more long-distance-oriented driving strategy rather than against it. Now, after exceeding mission 'warranty' by about 10 times, the time has come for a more bold, exploratory strategy: Now we can really afford the risk of possibly losing some Sols of additional routine observations by trying to dedicate more of the remaining Sols for the only task of driving: Imagine just 40 Sols of driving-only at a prudent 30 meters/Sol would be about sufficient to cover the remaining kilometer or so to Victoria ! actually this is less time than that has been spent parked at the Olympia site alone. Switching priorities to long-distance-driving means that maybe they will even decide to completely stow the IDD again for the duration of the Victoria Trek... unstowing it only at Victoria or if really new discoveries pop up along the way... Other promising quotes from the TPS article: QUOTE the things we were hoping we’d find at Mogollon we have found already at Olympia QUOTE A balance is necessary, but our hoped-for drive strategy is a pretty aggressive one, and the team is very anxious to head southward at a brisk pace now to get to Victoria Crater. The current Festoon-Studies are the very necessary and important conclusion of the intensive Erebus-studies but after that it's time for exploring new horizons again |
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Feb 1 2006, 09:59 PM
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The real interesting thing from Mogollon rim is the black or dark stones on its rim on the south side of Oppy's site. Maybe, they have already identified them as a rind?
Rodolfo |
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Feb 1 2006, 10:12 PM
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QUOTE (Nirgal @ Feb 1 2006, 03:15 PM) looks like they finally decided to switch the priority to driving in order to seriously try to reach Victoria Crater Don't get too excited about the prospect of a rapid trip to Victoria just yet. As Squyres says, if they find something different and interesting at the Mogollon Rim they're not going to leave it behind unexamined.The current Festoon-Studies are the very necessary and important conclusion of the intensive Erebus-studies but after that it's time for exploring new horizons again My bet is it will be into March before they're done with Erebus completely. |
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Feb 2 2006, 12:53 AM
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QUOTE (tacitus @ Feb 2 2006, 12:12 AM) Don't get too excited about the prospect of a rapid trip to Victoria just yet. As Squyres says, if they find something different and interesting at the Mogollon Rim they're not going to leave it behind unexamined. My bet is it will be into March before they're done with Erebus completely. Yes D'Accord ! I, too think it's important to take all the time necessary to complete the work at Erebus: may very well take another 4 weeks or so ... What I'm looking forward too is that *after that* the Trip will go straight to Victoria with prio one = driving and only stopping on really new discoveries |
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Feb 2 2006, 08:46 AM
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Feb 2 2006, 11:04 AM
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I will agree. If it hadn't been for the IDD problem we would have already been at the Mogollon Rim, finishing up and heading to the next target.
I can't see them _not_ stopping at the dark-toned bluff area at Mogollon; this feature is not like one we've seen before. --Bill -------------------- |
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Feb 16 2006, 02:01 PM
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Presented here is a 3x vertical exaggeration from jvandriel's Sol 733 Pancam stitch. The Mogollon Rim outcrop is on the right, Payson is on the left. Payson seems to be an interesting feature, note the small landslip on the left side.
One possible route may be a straight shot right of center to the dark float (outcrop). Do you realize that we've been eyeballing this area since before Oppy hit the Erebus Highway? This site ought to be geo-nirvana... --Bill -------------------- |
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Feb 16 2006, 02:32 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2488 Joined: 17-April 05 From: Glasgow, Scotland, UK Member No.: 239 |
Anyone know what the strategy is for Opportunity regarding winter, and how that translates into travel plans?
Bob Shaw -------------------- Remember: Time Flies like the wind - but Fruit Flies like bananas!
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