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Dawn's Survey Orbit at Ceres
Paolo
post Jun 15 2015, 05:47 PM
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daily Ceres picture from the survey orbit
http://dawn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/images...tml?id=PIA19572

I started a new topic, as we are no longer in the first orbit phase
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post Jun 24 2015, 05:28 PM
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Polar region crater with more of the light coloured material:

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post Jun 24 2015, 05:58 PM
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QUOTE (FOV @ Jun 24 2015, 11:28 AM) *
Polar region crater with more of the light coloured material:

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That feature does look similar to this:

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Both may be where impacts exposed subsurface intrusions of the white stuff.
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post Jun 24 2015, 08:26 PM
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QUOTE (Gladstoner @ Jun 24 2015, 10:58 AM) *
Both may be where impacts exposed subsurface intrusions of the white stuff.


I'm looking at photos of Ganymede, which has a lot of rayed craters that exposed bright, subsurface ice. The phenomenon on Ceres is definitely something different. Related, perhaps, but every example on Ganymede has common characteristics that none of the examples on Ceres match.

If this is a mere "ray" event (also visible on the Moon, Mercury, etc.), then there's something very different on Ceres about how the material is surfaced or how it ages.

I'd guess we're either seeing the remnants of a ray system that sputters away quite differently than the rays on Ganymede, et al, do, or these are eruptions.

If it were simply subsurface salt, I'd expect them to look like Ganymede/Moon rays and to be less selective in their occurrence.

Perhaps icy ray material on Ceres is coarse near the point of origin and sparse far from it and therefore sputters away rapidly except where it's most coarse. Eg, a 20 kg lump of ice may stick around much, much longer than lots of microgram particles.

Alternately, I'd stick with the idea of eruptions: Which may be triggered when the impact occurs, or possibly much later.
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post Jun 24 2015, 09:10 PM
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QUOTE (JRehling @ Jun 24 2015, 03:26 PM) *
If it were simply subsurface salt, I'd expect them to look like Ganymede/Moon rays and to be less selective in their occurrence.

This is why I suspect much of the white stuff is in the form of intrusions (veins, dikes, 'volcanic necks', etc.) in places deep beneath the surface.

A terrestrial comparison I have in mind is pegmatite, which is the solid end point of granitic magma crystallization. On Ceres, the 'granite' would be water ice, and the 'pegmatite' would be the leftover material that could not be incorporated into the ice crystals. This 'pegmatitic magma', which would be a concentrated brine containing various salt and volatiles (CO2, NH3, etc.) would either dry or freeze out in place or eventually make it to the surface as an extrusion of some kind. The entrained gases would help to drive the eruption as they do on Earth.

Spot #5 could be the best -- or only -- example where this brine breached the surface due to eruption rather than by exposure due to impact or mass wasting.

Edit 1: In many spots, this material may merely permeate existing fractures within the megabreccia (think of mineral veins on Mars). In these cases, the intrusions may resemble petroleum reserves more than they do magmatic plutons.

Edit 2: And speaking of crater rays, I would not expect exposed water ice to remain for long after an impact excavated and dispersed it like this (assuming all white material is the same stuff):

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- Paolo   Dawn's Survey Orbit at Ceres   Jun 15 2015, 05:47 PM
- - RotoSequence   QUOTE (Paolo @ Jun 15 2015, 10:47 AM) dai...   Jun 15 2015, 06:21 PM
- - Habukaz   The latest image has a nice perspective that shows...   Jun 16 2015, 04:54 PM
|- - Gladstoner   QUOTE (Habukaz @ Jun 16 2015, 11:54 AM) T...   Jun 17 2015, 01:17 AM
- - Gladstoner   The other white-spot crater looks quite messy, but...   Jun 16 2015, 05:01 PM
- - climber   Danielle's experiment seams quite close to thi...   Jun 16 2015, 05:44 PM
|- - Daniele_bianchino_Italy   QUOTE (climber @ Jun 16 2015, 05:44 PM) D...   Jun 17 2015, 11:31 PM
- - Jaro_in_Montreal   A different view of that pingo/volcano/whatever an...   Jun 17 2015, 04:28 PM
- - Gladstoner   FYI, the released TIFS have much better detail tha...   Jun 17 2015, 04:48 PM
|- - climber   QUOTE (Gladstoner @ Jun 17 2015, 06:48 PM...   Jun 17 2015, 05:48 PM
|- - Mercure   QUOTE (Gladstoner @ Jun 17 2015, 06:48 PM...   Jun 17 2015, 11:16 PM
- - Habukaz   shield volcano is the word that comes to mind when...   Jun 17 2015, 05:02 PM
- - Gladstoner   The fossae bundle again: The square arrangement...   Jun 17 2015, 05:13 PM
|- - Daniele_bianchino_Italy   QUOTE (Gladstoner @ Jun 17 2015, 06:13 PM...   Jun 18 2015, 10:18 PM
- - Habukaz   The images at full resolution are as usual found a...   Jun 17 2015, 06:29 PM
- - Superstring   Are we sure that volcano-looking feature isn't...   Jun 17 2015, 07:55 PM
|- - Gladstoner   QUOTE (Superstring @ Jun 17 2015, 01:55 P...   Jun 17 2015, 08:03 PM
- - Habukaz   According to the Twitter account, the mountain is ...   Jun 18 2015, 08:20 AM
|- - Daniele_bianchino_Italy   QUOTE (Habukaz @ Jun 18 2015, 09:20 AM) A...   Jun 18 2015, 11:51 AM
|- - vikingmars   QUOTE (Daniele_bianchino_Italy @ Jun 18 2015,...   Jun 18 2015, 08:02 PM
- - katodomo   QUOTE (Habukaz @ Jun 18 2015, 10:20 AM) A...   Jun 18 2015, 04:10 PM
- - Phil Stooke   Actually it is a crater rim, part of the biggest i...   Jun 18 2015, 04:21 PM
- - scalbers   Indeed it's good to look at the context to see...   Jun 18 2015, 05:05 PM
- - Gladstoner   Now the lesser southern basin is being showcased: ...   Jun 18 2015, 05:15 PM
|- - scalbers   QUOTE (Gladstoner @ Jun 18 2015, 05:15 PM...   Jun 18 2015, 09:52 PM
- - Daniele_bianchino_Italy   it'real this color images of CerES?   Jun 18 2015, 06:29 PM
|- - eliBonora   QUOTE (Daniele_bianchino_Italy @ Jun 18 2015,...   Jun 19 2015, 05:07 AM
|- - wildespace   QUOTE (eliBonora @ Jun 19 2015, 06:07 AM)...   Jun 19 2015, 06:13 AM
||- - eliBonora   QUOTE (wildespace @ Jun 19 2015, 08:13 AM...   Jun 19 2015, 08:40 PM
|- - Daniele_bianchino_Italy   QUOTE Hi there, is a bit of time that I cannot com...   Jun 19 2015, 08:20 AM
- - Gladstoner   Spot #5 is nearly on the horizon in today's im...   Jun 19 2015, 04:46 PM
|- - Steve5304   QUOTE (Gladstoner @ Jun 19 2015, 04:46 PM...   Jun 21 2015, 04:07 AM
- - Habukaz   At first I thought it was some other bright materi...   Jun 19 2015, 05:42 PM
- - ZLD   That does seem pretty strange. Must be peering jus...   Jun 19 2015, 06:15 PM
- - ngunn   As I mentioned before don't forget that the cu...   Jun 19 2015, 07:25 PM
- - scalbers   Today's image also helps in mapping some of th...   Jun 19 2015, 10:50 PM
- - eliBonora   Here a Ceres mosaic (PIA19575 and 19576)   Jun 20 2015, 05:50 AM
- - antipode   Now that basin is fascinating, not just for the ra...   Jun 20 2015, 07:04 AM
|- - TheAnt   QUOTE (antipode @ Jun 20 2015, 09:04 AM) ...   Jun 20 2015, 08:49 AM
|- - alk3997   If Ceres still has a glacial fill process that con...   Jun 20 2015, 03:11 PM
|- - TheAnt   Distorted craters could indeed show us something. ...   Jun 20 2015, 05:25 PM
|- - alk3997   QUOTE (TheAnt @ Jun 20 2015, 11:25 AM) Di...   Jun 21 2015, 02:09 PM
- - ZLD   QUOTE (alk3997 @ Jun 20 2015, 09:11 AM) T...   Jun 20 2015, 06:36 PM
|- - ngunn   QUOTE (ZLD @ Jun 20 2015, 07:36 PM) The s...   Jun 20 2015, 10:11 PM
- - JohnVV   QUOTE Perhaps at a large enough kinetic energy an ...   Jun 22 2015, 02:42 AM
|- - alk3997   QUOTE (JohnVV @ Jun 21 2015, 08:42 PM) th...   Jun 22 2015, 06:49 PM
- - dvandorn   I imagine that impacts onto an ice world (or an ic...   Jun 22 2015, 04:26 AM
- - Gerald   Thinking at pockets of water: The core of Ceres is...   Jun 22 2015, 10:56 AM
- - ZLD   New images up on Photojournal. In order left to r...   Jun 22 2015, 01:45 PM
- - alphasam   Gonna take a stab and say they're looking like...   Jun 22 2015, 01:50 PM
- - fredk   What's nice about the new view is that it appe...   Jun 22 2015, 02:29 PM
- - Gladstoner   Also today, the big mountain is nicely displayed i...   Jun 22 2015, 04:48 PM
- - Gladstoner   In another image released today (I hope 3-image re...   Jun 22 2015, 05:08 PM
- - ZLD   Can't say with certainty, but it looks like th...   Jun 22 2015, 06:41 PM
- - Gladstoner   A comparison of craters: The shape of the main ...   Jun 22 2015, 06:59 PM
- - Sherbert   I would guess the left of the two basins is newer....   Jun 22 2015, 08:49 PM
- - Habukaz   The fuzziness of the of the bright spots to the ri...   Jun 22 2015, 09:58 PM
- - dvandorn   If you're right, Habukaz, then this makes two ...   Jun 23 2015, 12:27 AM
|- - alk3997   But, what about the side view image that Gladstone...   Jun 23 2015, 02:35 AM
- - dvandorn   Ooops, sorry. I see that I mis-spoke a bit. I di...   Jun 23 2015, 03:27 AM
|- - alk3997   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Jun 22 2015, 10:27 PM) ...   Jun 23 2015, 03:33 AM
- - Habukaz   I was also thinking about the coating produced by ...   Jun 23 2015, 08:33 AM
- - ZLD   If active, what about some type of water slurry cr...   Jun 23 2015, 01:39 PM
- - nprev   Re the possibility of active plumes: As I recall, ...   Jun 23 2015, 02:40 PM
- - ZLD   Spectroscopy isn't really my area. What are th...   Jun 23 2015, 04:06 PM
- - Doug M.   Something I haven't seen discussed yet: are we...   Jun 23 2015, 04:52 PM
|- - TheAnt   QUOTE (Doug M. @ Jun 23 2015, 06:52 PM) S...   Jun 23 2015, 06:23 PM
- - nprev   ZLD, I think that the answer is the same. Any semi...   Jun 23 2015, 06:08 PM
- - pioneer   I understand Dawn has a Gamma Ray and Neutron Dete...   Jun 23 2015, 06:55 PM
|- - Paolo   QUOTE (pioneer @ Jun 23 2015, 07:55 PM) I...   Jun 23 2015, 07:09 PM
- - Sherbert   I also think sublimation of volatiles may be invol...   Jun 23 2015, 07:26 PM
- - Phil Stooke   Paolo's right, GRAND gets pretty much nothing ...   Jun 23 2015, 07:27 PM
- - fredk   Apart from this release based on observations in F...   Jun 23 2015, 07:39 PM
- - Sherbert   This is interesting. Is this erosion or sedimentar...   Jun 23 2015, 07:47 PM
|- - Gladstoner   QUOTE (Sherbert @ Jun 23 2015, 02:47 PM) ...   Jun 23 2015, 07:55 PM
|- - Sherbert   QUOTE (Gladstoner @ Jun 23 2015, 08:55 PM...   Jun 23 2015, 08:06 PM
- - eliBonora   An anagliph of Spot5's crater (from PIA19579 a...   Jun 23 2015, 07:52 PM
|- - Sherbert   [quote name='eliBonora' date='Jun 23 2...   Jun 23 2015, 08:02 PM
- - scalbers   We have discussed this to be a rim section of a la...   Jun 23 2015, 08:11 PM
|- - Gladstoner   QUOTE (scalbers @ Jun 23 2015, 02:11 PM) ...   Jun 23 2015, 10:24 PM
- - Sherbert   This is the same rim wall from a different angle. ...   Jun 23 2015, 10:54 PM
- - Gladstoner   I'm leaning toward it a series of vertical or ...   Jun 23 2015, 11:27 PM
- - Wocket   Newby here. I can construct a hypothesis for the b...   Jun 24 2015, 12:37 AM
- - monty python   Yes. I just can't get my head around how we co...   Jun 24 2015, 05:15 AM
|- - nprev   QUOTE (monty python @ Jun 23 2015, 09:15 ...   Jun 24 2015, 05:49 AM
|- - alk3997   QUOTE (nprev @ Jun 23 2015, 11:49 PM) Cou...   Jun 24 2015, 03:39 PM
- - rogelio   "....low energy/velocity impactor theory... w...   Jun 24 2015, 04:50 PM
|- - alk3997   QUOTE (rogelio @ Jun 24 2015, 11:50 AM) ...   Jun 24 2015, 04:58 PM
|- - JRehling   Some qualitative thinking where computational mode...   Jun 24 2015, 05:26 PM
|- - Gladstoner   QUOTE (ZLD @ Jun 20 2015, 12:36 PM) .... ...   Jun 24 2015, 05:49 PM
- - FOV   Polar region crater with more of the light coloure...   Jun 24 2015, 05:28 PM
|- - Gladstoner   QUOTE (FOV @ Jun 24 2015, 11:28 AM) Polar...   Jun 24 2015, 05:58 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (Gladstoner @ Jun 24 2015, 10:58 AM...   Jun 24 2015, 08:26 PM
|- - ngunn   QUOTE (JRehling @ Jun 24 2015, 09:26 PM) ...   Jun 24 2015, 09:06 PM
||- - JRehling   I see a citation from Lanzerotti, et al, 1978 to t...   Jun 24 2015, 09:42 PM
|- - Gladstoner   QUOTE (JRehling @ Jun 24 2015, 03:26 PM) ...   Jun 24 2015, 09:10 PM
- - Habukaz   The lower half of that bright crater has a really ...   Jun 24 2015, 06:17 PM
- - ZLD   It gets even stranger looking if you flip it upsid...   Jun 24 2015, 08:18 PM
|- - centsworth_II   QUOTE (ZLD @ Jun 24 2015, 03:18 PM) I a...   Jun 24 2015, 09:00 PM
- - scalbers   Would the ice sublimation rate be greater than the...   Jun 24 2015, 09:59 PM
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