MECA (microscope) Images |
MECA (microscope) Images |
Jun 6 2008, 10:27 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 1 Joined: 1-June 08 From: Kiwi living in Boston Member No.: 4171 |
You can look at the grain shape, it's opacity, and it's color - but it's hard to make any comprehensive analyses based on only that information. My first guess was salt or silica, but I'm no geologist, and Emily Lakdawalla has posted a more informed opinion on this: http://www.planetary.org/blog/article/00001497/ Re. requiring a volcanic origin for silica: I'm guessing a grain of that size could be lofted and carried to a polar position, given a few billion years... - CH |
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Jun 7 2008, 04:58 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 3419 Joined: 9-February 04 From: Minneapolis, MN, USA Member No.: 15 |
Isn't this the kind of thing that the atomic force microscope could help settle? Silica flakes and salt crystals have rather unique and recognizable structures at atomic force scales, don't they?
-the other Doug -------------------- “The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.” -Mark Twain
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Jun 12 2008, 05:09 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 408 Joined: 3-August 05 Member No.: 453 |
First sample sprinkled onto the microscope inlet:
http://www.met.tamu.edu/mars/i/SS017EFF897...5_12370R6M1.jpg Hope not too much went into the far right wet chem sampler MECA inlet...it does have its own open/close valve, but what happens to material already in that little hopper? Or is it open at the bottom until the MECA valve is in the "accept sample" position, so that any unwanted material just falls though? Airbag |
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Jun 12 2008, 07:37 PM
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Senior Member Group: Moderator Posts: 2262 Joined: 9-February 04 From: Melbourne - Oz Member No.: 16 |
Sounds like the team is happy with the sprinkle into the Microscope.
http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu/06_12_pr.php -------------------- |
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Jun 13 2008, 08:20 PM
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Junior Member Group: Members Posts: 40 Joined: 27-May 08 Member No.: 4145 |
The images of the first sample have come down. Click each image for a link to the full size:
phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu/images/gallery/lg_4869.jpg phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu/images/gallery/lg_4867.jpg phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu/images/gallery/lg_4859.jpg phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu/images/gallery/lg_4870.jpg |
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Jun 13 2008, 09:43 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1229 Joined: 24-December 05 From: The blue one in between the yellow and red ones. Member No.: 618 |
Interesting amber crystalline-looking particle (blue arrow).
I hope we see lots more. Speculation time! -------------------- My Grandpa goes to Mars every day and all I get are these lousy T-shirts!
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Jun 13 2008, 10:33 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2173 Joined: 28-December 04 From: Florida, USA Member No.: 132 |
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Jun 13 2008, 11:10 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1229 Joined: 24-December 05 From: The blue one in between the yellow and red ones. Member No.: 618 |
Cubic? Oddly, I see a cylindrical 'hatbox', complete with lid, but then I'm a planktonologist with search "expectation" for centric diatoms. NO, I don't claim it's a diatom!! I just mean I'm not the best person to identify it. -------------------- My Grandpa goes to Mars every day and all I get are these lousy T-shirts!
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Jun 13 2008, 11:48 PM
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Jun 14 2008, 08:53 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 646 Joined: 23-December 05 From: Forest of Dean Member No.: 617 |
Am I right in my impression that the consensus is that any ice particles would have sublimed away by now? If so, can these whiteish particles or grains be anything else but salts?
(Edit, having seen fredk's animation of particles vanishing from the trenches in the other thread: I meant that isolated icy particles on this microscopic scale would have sublimed away ) -------------------- --
Viva software libre! |
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Jun 14 2008, 12:12 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1276 Joined: 25-November 04 Member No.: 114 |
The images seem a bit out of focus?
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Jun 14 2008, 03:32 PM
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Junior Member Group: Members Posts: 50 Joined: 8-February 04 From: Melbourne, Australia Member No.: 5 |
The images seem a bit out of focus? Decepticon, They're trying to focus grains that are fatter than the depth of focus of the instrument. In the geological world, we take a rock, or a pile of grains, glue it all together with Araldite/Epoxy, cut a slice, and grind it down to less than 30 microns thick. We still have focus issues. here, they're taking raw grains up to 1/10 mm size (100 microns) and trying to focus them. Focus and resolution are not independent entities. if you want to "see" grains 1 micron in size - as we do, then anything bigger than 1 micron will be out of focus. -------------------- - Nick
===================================== Nick Hoffman Mars Specialist 3D-GEO Pty Ltd Melbourne Australia http://whitemars.com "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." - Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948) ===================================== |
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Jun 14 2008, 03:49 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1276 Joined: 25-November 04 Member No.: 114 |
Thanks for that explanation!
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Jun 14 2008, 04:26 PM
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They're trying to focus grains that are fatter than the depth of focus of the instrument. Yes, but the instrument is designed to take multiple (8) images at different focus distances, each with a depth of field of 50um. These multiple "vertical slice" images are then used on the ground to reconstruct an image where all parts (up to 200um deep) are in sharp focus, just as was done for MER's MI images, but on a much smaller scale of course. So I expect that eventually we will see images where all grains are in sharp(er) focus - assuming that was not already done! Unfortunately, the Optical Microscope (OM) images do not show up on the otherwise very useful Phoenix SSI raw images directory web pages so there is no obvious way to tell how many "different depth" OM images have been taken and/or downloaded so far. Does anybody know if the raw OM images are available online anywhere? Airbag |
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Jun 14 2008, 05:27 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1276 Joined: 25-November 04 Member No.: 114 |
QUOTE So I expect that eventually we will see images where all grains are in sharp(er) focus - assuming that was not already done! Even before I could ask It was answered! I can't wait to see this! |
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