El Dorado, The place formerly known as Ultreya |
El Dorado, The place formerly known as Ultreya |
Dec 15 2005, 08:30 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 578 Joined: 5-November 04 From: Denmark Member No.: 107 |
Steve has a new update:
http://athena1.cornell.edu/news/mubss/ And it looks like the official name for the Ultreya Abyss now is "El Dorado" I looked up El Dorado and the poem is actually quite fitting by Edgar Allan Poe (1849) Gaily bedight, A gallant knight, In sunshine and in shadow, Had journeyed long, Singing a song, In search of Eldorado. But he grew old- This knight so bold- And o'er his heart a shadow Fell as he found No spot of ground That looked like Eldorado. And, as his strength Failed him at length, He met a pilgrim shadow- "Shadow," said he, "Where can it be- This land of Eldorado?" "Over the Mountains Of the Moon, Down the Valley of the Shadow, Ride, boldly ride," The shade replied- "If you seek for Eldorado!" -------------------- "I want to make as many people as possible feel like they are part of this adventure. We are going to give everybody a sense of what exploring the surface of another world is really like"
- Steven Squyres |
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Dec 15 2005, 11:25 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 524 Joined: 24-November 04 From: Heraklion, GR. Member No.: 112 |
Although part of me was hoping Ultreya would somehow come through, I actually find Eldorado quite a suitable choice ...
From answers.com : "El Dorado is used figuratively to mean any place of fabulous wealth, a utopian dream, or the land of desire." Not bad, hey Ustrax ? |
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Dec 15 2005, 11:29 PM
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Founder Group: Chairman Posts: 14434 Joined: 8-February 04 Member No.: 1 |
It may be subtle and obscure, but there's a nod to the Ultreya phenomenon in there
Doug |
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Dec 15 2005, 11:30 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2492 Joined: 15-January 05 From: center Italy Member No.: 150 |
A couple of PanCam images from Sol693 are enhanced and stretched here (3x), showing the (probably) best Eldorado/Ultreya view up to now:
-------------------- I always think before posting! - Marco -
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Dec 15 2005, 11:34 PM
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Senior Member Group: Moderator Posts: 3431 Joined: 11-August 04 From: USA Member No.: 98 |
QUOTE (TheChemist @ Dec 15 2005, 11:25 PM) Although part of me was hoping Ultreya would somehow come through, I actually find Eldorado quite a suitable choice ... From answers.com : "El Dorado is used figuratively to mean any place of fabulous wealth, a utopian dream, or the land of desire." Not bad, hey Ustrax ? You have to admire the name choice, don't you? Both a reference to a "shadow" and a veiled reference to the hopes and dreams projected on this area. Color me impressed. |
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Dec 15 2005, 11:39 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 548 Joined: 19-March 05 From: Princeton, NJ, USA Member No.: 212 |
Wow Dilo,
I think TheChemists quote is on target for your image " A place of fabulous wealth, a utopian dream, or the land of desire" |
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Dec 16 2005, 05:49 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1870 Joined: 20-February 05 Member No.: 174 |
That semi-regular sand-ripple pattern texture in el Dorado is very similar to areas of the sand sheet on the northwest inside wall of Bonneville crater. Almost certainly much the same material and same processes, and about the same albedo, too.
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Dec 16 2005, 06:42 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2228 Joined: 1-December 04 From: Marble Falls, Texas, USA Member No.: 116 |
Well I'll be damned! "El Dorado"
It may be a coincidence, but it sure does look like a veiled reference to Ultreya. Far out. I've been a bit of a harsh critic in discussions of Ultreya's geologic characteristics in the past, but I must admit that I have always shared Ustrax's quixotic vision of exploration. He should be pleased. -------------------- ...Tom
I'm not a Space Fan, I'm a Space Exploration Enthusiast. |
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Dec 16 2005, 06:55 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 3419 Joined: 9-February 04 From: Minneapolis, MN, USA Member No.: 15 |
It concerns me that Squyres says in his latest update that, after Comanche, they have time to check out either Allegheny or El Dorado, but not both, before they have to high-tail it over onto the north-facing slope of McCool Hill for the winter.
Does this mean they're NOT going to investigate Home Plate and the Pitcher's Mound? I don't like the sound of that at ALL... -the other Doug -------------------- “The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.” -Mark Twain
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Dec 16 2005, 08:45 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 866 Joined: 15-March 05 From: Santa Cruz, CA Member No.: 196 |
yes, now im cornfused, put-put around on part of mcCool hill for the winter? i though this was the one-mars-year anniversary, and just like splashdown one mars year ago, its prime-time to go exploring with many months of fall left to go... what did we do last mars year this time? we press onward to columbia hills, we didnt kick it on the north face of bonneville for the winter? am i missing something?
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Dec 16 2005, 08:56 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 3008 Joined: 30-October 04 Member No.: 105 |
I was amused with the formal naming of this feature. Although some of the image interpretation was, uh, a bit off the wall at times, you do have to admire enthusiasm and persistence. I had grave doubts about the "abyss" part from the get-go, but it was clear that the Ultreya feature was interesting and possibly important.
El Diablo, the name fits and the legend continues... --Bill -------------------- |
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Dec 16 2005, 09:19 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 3419 Joined: 9-February 04 From: Minneapolis, MN, USA Member No.: 15 |
Ummm... El Dorado, Bill. Not El Diablo.
Although, maybe El Kabong would have been more appropriate... -the other Doug -------------------- “The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.” -Mark Twain
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Dec 16 2005, 09:44 AM
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Special Cookie Group: Members Posts: 2168 Joined: 6-April 05 From: Sintra | Portugal Member No.: 228 |
QUOTE (djellison @ Dec 15 2005, 11:29 PM) Let me just tell you that I am floating wieghtless in space with the choice of the name. You are 100% correct Doug, there is a very strong nod to Ultreya in El Dorado... I can tell you that, at this moment, reading the poem and some other words I received, that helped understand the election of the name, I feel an immense, IMMENSE joy. El Dorado...We have arrived! -------------------- "Ride, boldly ride," The shade replied, "If you seek for Eldorado!"
Edgar Alan Poe |
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Dec 16 2005, 09:44 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 13 Joined: 26-January 05 From: Belgium Member No.: 157 |
QUOTE (dvandorn @ Dec 16 2005, 06:55 AM) ... they have time to check out either Allegheny or El Dorado, but not both, before they have to high-tail it over onto the north-facing slope of McCool Hill for the winter. SNIP I don't like the sound of that at ALL... This should come as no surprise when keeping in mind this discussion from the end of August: http://www.unmannedspaceflight.com/index.p...indpost&p=18384 |
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Dec 16 2005, 09:48 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 13 Joined: 26-January 05 From: Belgium Member No.: 157 |
QUOTE (atomoid @ Dec 16 2005, 08:45 AM) what did we do last mars year this time? we press onward to columbia hills, we didnt kick it on the north face of bonneville for the winter? am i missing something? The shadow of Husband Hill is what makes the difference this time, IMHO. (This is just a wild guess, I have no hard numbers to prove it, like sun angles etc...) |
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