From Cambridge Bay to the "parking lot" |
From Cambridge Bay to the "parking lot" |
Oct 29 2010, 02:05 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 3516 Joined: 4-November 05 From: North Wales Member No.: 542 |
I did some measuring from today's suddenly rock-free pancams to check on earlier calculations. Result: the separation of he two prominent middle distance features increased by 4 percent. Using a figure of 43m for the latest drive, that puts them around 1070m away. The fainter feature that I tentatively identified as Santa Maria behind the leftmost streak is becoming clearer, as is fredk's one farther to the right.
http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/opportuni...cam/2010-10-29/ EDIT: Is that 'waypoint crater' we're seeing over on the right? |
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Oct 29 2010, 03:22 PM
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Santa Maria will be our Christmas Gift This Year when we stare into her crater from the edge.
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Oct 29 2010, 03:35 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 4246 Joined: 17-January 05 Member No.: 152 |
We can start to map out the various small craters on views like this. Yep! Here's my take on matching Phil's stitch-'n-stretch of the current pancam view to the orbital view: I think these identifications are all pretty solid, except for crater F. I'm now pretty confident that the "two dark spots" are Santa Maria. I checked the growth in angular separation between those dark spots from sol 2382 to 2402 (long baseline), and it was consistent with SM's distance. And now the angular separation between the "two dark spots" and crater A is also consistent with the orbital view. There are some craters beyond A that we should be able to match with a wider orbital view. |
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Oct 29 2010, 03:54 PM
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Senior Member Group: Admin Posts: 4763 Joined: 15-March 05 From: Glendale, AZ Member No.: 197 |
FWIW my latest attempt to identify Santa Maria: I just spent way too much time going over all these images and GE, and I think this is correct. -------------------- If Occam had heard my theory, things would be very different now.
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Oct 29 2010, 03:59 PM
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Solar System Cartographer Group: Members Posts: 10146 Joined: 5-April 05 From: Canada Member No.: 227 |
The distant dark spot beyond 'A' is visible in the Post #452 image above. (The 124 degree heading)
Phil -------------------- ... because the Solar System ain't gonna map itself.
Also to be found posting similar content on https://mastodon.social/@PhilStooke NOTE: everything created by me which I post on UMSF is considered to be in the public domain (NOT CC, public domain) |
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Oct 29 2010, 05:50 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 3516 Joined: 4-November 05 From: North Wales Member No.: 542 |
I'm now pretty confident that the "two dark spots" are Santa Maria. I checked the growth in angular separation between those dark spots from sol 2382 to 2402 (long baseline), and it was consistent with SM's distance. I got the same result while we were travelling ENE. The trouble with that was that we weren't approaching those features directly and the change in viewing angle may have had the effect of reducing the rate of widening, resulting in an overestimate of the distance. By triangulation TMAN found that 'rightmost' is 100m more distant than 'leftmost', consistent with such a result. (I suspect that TMAN's finding of a lower parallax for 'eastmost' is independent of the absolute values of the azimuths involved.) From the most recent drives on an almost direct approach heading I'm seeing about twice the rate of widening I'd expect if the features were at the distance of Santa Maria. One thing's for sure. If those two features don't belong to Santa Maria they have clearly been placed exactly where they are and at exactly the right distance apart to cause maximum confusion. |
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Oct 29 2010, 07:55 PM
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Junior Member Group: Members Posts: 71 Joined: 19-January 10 From: Grimsby, N.E. Lincs, UK Member No.: 5179 |
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Oct 30 2010, 12:53 AM
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The Poet Dude Group: Moderator Posts: 5551 Joined: 15-March 04 From: Kendal, Cumbria, UK Member No.: 60 |
Well, it gradually builds up from "Huh, that doesn't look much different" through "Yeah, that does show a bit more detail" and "Ah, now we're getting there..." to "OMG!!!" and eventually ending at "My eyes! My eyes!!!"
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Oct 30 2010, 02:13 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 166 Joined: 20-September 05 From: North Texas Member No.: 503 |
Stu,
You are such a clever writer... of prose as well as poetry. I always enjoy reading your posts. |
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Oct 30 2010, 03:19 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 399 Joined: 28-August 07 From: San Francisco Member No.: 3511 |
Yes, I love Stu's take on things, outreach personified...
I'm going to Endeavour with Cumbrian Sky Travel... -------------------- 'She drove until the wheels fell off...'
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Oct 30 2010, 02:19 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 530 Joined: 21-March 06 From: Canada Member No.: 721 |
I prefer booking the express through Stooke Travel. Cumbrian Sky has too many stops on its route.
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Oct 31 2010, 06:39 AM
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Founder Group: Chairman Posts: 14431 Joined: 8-February 04 Member No.: 1 |
The size of Endeavour is roughly similar to the central part of the San Fernando Valley in Los Angeles ~13 miles from rim to rim. (overlay image below) Now the Vally has some spectacular views from the "rims" and on a clear day from the floor of the Valley the mountains do look spectacular (maybe Doug will take a gigapan for us from Van Nuys on a clear day.) However, those mountains above Los Angeles are anywhere from 700 to 4000 feet higher than the center of the San Fernando Valley, whereas Endeavor's rim is gong to be nowhere near that high. So there will likely be some nice views, but nothing breathtaking. Tadaaaa http://gigapan.org/gigapans/63708/ Taken from http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=34....mp;t=k&z=20 |
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Oct 31 2010, 06:46 AM
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Merciless Robot Group: Admin Posts: 8783 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
Giga-Doug strikes again!!! Nice.
-------------------- A few will take this knowledge and use this power of a dream realized as a force for change, an impetus for further discovery to make less ancient dreams real.
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Nov 1 2010, 11:27 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1619 Joined: 12-February 06 From: Bergerac - FR Member No.: 678 |
Hi,
A long long break into marsrovers imagery (sometimes it's good to have a break). "Back to business". Sol 2344 Sol 2363, with the meteor sitting on the floor Sol 2379, a closer view of Oileán Ruaid. Sol 2370 Sol 2371, the meteor. Beautiful piece Sol 2385 I have other images to do. -------------------- |
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Nov 1 2010, 02:46 PM
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Junior Member Group: Members Posts: 82 Joined: 22-July 05 From: Portugal Member No.: 445 |
You do make fantastic work Ant103, your images really take me there. Love those craters looming at the horizon, thanks for the interplanetary trip!
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