Dawn approaches Ceres, From opnav images to first orbit |
Dawn approaches Ceres, From opnav images to first orbit |
Jan 27 2015, 12:49 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 9 Joined: 7-December 14 Member No.: 7360 |
I'm finding it remarkably difficult to wait for the higher-res images obtained today - they should be very interesting. That's for sure. These are the first ones that will propel us from Hubbly guesswork into a completely new era of what we know about Ceres. It's also the most interesting entirely new object of its size and significance since what...Neptune maybe? |
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Jan 27 2015, 01:43 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 3419 Joined: 9-February 04 From: Minneapolis, MN, USA Member No.: 15 |
Will the new opnav images be looking at the same hemisphere as the last set? In other words, will we be seeing the white spot at greater resolution, or the other side?
Don't get me wrong, I don't care which side we get to see. I'm happy to see any of Ceres at ever-increasing resolutions. This will help complete my mind's-eye-view of our solar system, and I can hardly wait. Of course, the remainder of what I need for that wonderful full visualization of our solar system has to wait until July, at the earliest. So, no matter what, there is always more time to wait... but wonders at the end of the rainbow. -the other Doug -------------------- “The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.” -Mark Twain
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Jan 27 2015, 02:18 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 207 Joined: 6-March 07 From: houston, texas Member No.: 1828 |
It will be the same side. i think a more complete rotation is the one planned Feb 12 or so. when we should have ~115 pixels on the disk. can't wait . . . by then the new leaves will start here in houston and spring will be in the air . . .
-------------------- Dr. Paul Schenk, Lunar and Planetary Institute, Houston TX
http://stereomoons.blogspot.com; http://www.youtube.com/galsat400; http://www.lpi.usra.edu/science/schenk/ |
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Jan 27 2015, 04:19 AM
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Senior Member Group: Moderator Posts: 3233 Joined: 11-February 04 From: Tucson, AZ Member No.: 23 |
I've updated my movies of the pre-orbit observations of Ceres using Celestia (posted above). I had been using an older rotation model for Ceres and had been meaning to fix it, but I could never get the standard PCK file to work for Ceres. I ended up having to edit a PCK NAIF kernel file used for Saturn's moons, and basically broke Pallene, which did work before, in my installation in order to get Ceres to work. I also noticed that there is a difference in the prime meridian used by the IAU and the Dawn team/every other published map. I ended up just going with the Dawn team's meridian, so much easier that way (so I don't have to worry about correcting every map by 170 degrees.
For the curious, here's a zoomed in view of OPNAV1: -------------------- &@^^!% Jim! I'm a geologist, not a physicist!
The Gish Bar Times - A Blog all about Jupiter's Moon Io |
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Jan 27 2015, 05:46 AM
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Junior Member Group: Members Posts: 30 Joined: 22-July 11 Member No.: 6080 |
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Jan 27 2015, 06:26 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1423 Joined: 26-July 08 Member No.: 4270 |
If what you think it is involves the reflection of foreground ceiling lights, yes.
-------------------- -- Hungry4info (Sirius_Alpha)
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Jan 27 2015, 07:00 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2083 Joined: 13-February 10 From: Ontario Member No.: 5221 |
Just a little too small to read the date on the corner of the screen; would tell us whether that's from last week or this one...
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Jan 27 2015, 07:19 AM
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Junior Member Group: Members Posts: 30 Joined: 22-July 11 Member No.: 6080 |
Yes, ceiling light reflection, the new "OSIRIS munging".
Pretty sure it's the new ones. QUOTE Five members of the science team for NASA’s Dawn mission to Ceres were excited Monday to view the clearest images ever taken of the dwarf planet.
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Jan 27 2015, 08:24 AM
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Junior Member Group: Members Posts: 27 Joined: 27-September 07 From: Tampere, Finland Member No.: 3919 |
It's also the most interesting entirely new object of its size and significance since what...Neptune maybe? Well, I would put it on par with Cassini's (and Huygens') coverage of Titan's surface and maybe even Messenger's global view of Mercury, but yes, most interesting "almost totally" uncovered new object. I would say that even more interesting than the upcoming Pluto/Charon exploration. (sorry if I hurt someone's feelings... ) So, what's left after this year? Pallas, of course, and then Eris, Sedna... And yes, the (sub)surface of Europa! Great era of exploration we are living in. -------------------- Spamming the Solar System with greetings since 1997!
(New Horizons, Huygens, Opportunity/Spirit, Deep Impact, Dawn, Phoenix, Selene... to name a few) :) |
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Jan 27 2015, 10:06 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1276 Joined: 25-November 04 Member No.: 114 |
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Jan 27 2015, 10:51 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 9 Joined: 7-December 14 Member No.: 7360 |
Well, I would put it on par with Cassini's (and Huygens') coverage of Titan's surface and maybe even Messenger's global view of Mercury, but yes, most interesting "almost totally" uncovered new object. I would say that even more interesting than the upcoming Pluto/Charon exploration. (sorry if I hurt someone's feelings... ) So, what's left after this year? Pallas, of course, and then Eris, Sedna... And yes, the (sub)surface of Europa! Great era of exploration we are living in. Plus 24 Themis! Kind of like a smaller Ceres (200 km diameter), covered in ice, and less than a degree off of our orbital plane. Should make at least a flyby en route to somewhere else a fairly easy thing to accomplish if it isn't deemed worthy of a mission of its own. |
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Jan 27 2015, 11:32 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 423 Joined: 13-November 14 From: Norway Member No.: 7310 |
It's also the most interesting entirely new object of its size and significance since what...Neptune maybe? I was actually thinking the exact same thing the other day. I've since concluded that it's a bit hard to compare because of at least one icy moon of Saturn who is of a much larger size, namely Titan. The best pictures we had of its surface were made by Hubble due to Titan's opaque atmosphere, and they were of rather poor quality - basically showing Xanadu and not much else. Before Cassini-Huygens got close, it was still believed that a large fraction of Titan's surface could be covered by methane oceans, IIRC. Still, Titan was very far from being the the sole mission target for Cassini, and it's also "just" a moon - still living with its parent. Gah, that's kind of a cruel thing to do. They are ruining a part of the element of surprise while still not giving us something much better than what we had last week. ----- While we wait for the full details of the latest images, here's a handy list for those who haven't seen it already (from here):
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Jan 27 2015, 12:31 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 207 Joined: 6-March 07 From: houston, texas Member No.: 1828 |
----- While we wait for the full details of the latest images, here's a handy list for those who haven't seen it already (from here):
thanks for posting this. it is useful to note that we get down to about 8x-HST end-of-Feb. then for another month we do a little orbital phasing dance with Ceres to get into the right place to enter mapping orbit (due to the safing event late last year). that means of course we won't get any better resolution again until April. That will give us all of March to chew on 250-pixels of Ceres . . . -------------------- Dr. Paul Schenk, Lunar and Planetary Institute, Houston TX
http://stereomoons.blogspot.com; http://www.youtube.com/galsat400; http://www.lpi.usra.edu/science/schenk/ |
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Jan 27 2015, 02:14 PM
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Senior Member Group: Moderator Posts: 3233 Joined: 11-February 04 From: Tucson, AZ Member No.: 23 |
-------------------- &@^^!% Jim! I'm a geologist, not a physicist!
The Gish Bar Times - A Blog all about Jupiter's Moon Io |
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Jan 27 2015, 02:14 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 423 Joined: 13-November 14 From: Norway Member No.: 7310 |
The latest images have been posted.
http://dawn.jpl.nasa.gov/feature_stories/D...DwarfPlanet.asp The bright(er) spot is still a mystery, I guess, and some crater candidates look more like craters than ever before. QUOTE We are already seeing areas and details on Ceres popping out that had not been seen before. For instance, there are several dark features in the southern hemisphere that might be craters within a region that is darker overall," said Carol Raymond, deputy principal investigator of the Dawn mission at JPL. EDIT: Actually...when looking at my monitor from a distance while it was showing this animation, I noticed that there are what looks like white patches to the right of the bright spot, in the same hemisphere. -------------------- |
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