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New Horizons: Pre-launch, launch and main cruise, Pluto and the Kuiper belt
Alan Stern
post Jul 31 2008, 11:17 AM
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QUOTE (nprev @ Jul 30 2008, 11:43 PM) *
Interesting info about Pluto's atmosphere & its interaction with Charon, Alan; thanks! Do we have any idea at all what the current surface pressure might be, or what that atmosphere's total mass is? I'm guessing a few millibars at best, but the exceedingly weak surface gravity might make that estimate too high.



Inversion of the refractive phase delay from stellar occultations indicates a pressure of a few to perhaps 60 microbars, Nprev-- at most about 1% the Martian pressure.

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post Jul 31 2008, 04:24 PM
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QUOTE (Alan Stern @ Jul 31 2008, 12:17 PM) *
Inversion of the refractive phase delay from stellar occultations indicates a pressure of a few to perhaps 60 microbars, Nprev-- at most about 1% the Martian pressure.

If i recall, the Martian surface pressure is 0.7% of Earth's, so this would be 0.00007% of Earth's surface pressure. Don't forget the spacesuit!


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Wow...that's just mind-blowingly thin, yet it's enough to foster frost formation! blink.gif Thanks; that broadened my own horizons a bit with respect to what is possible.


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If I did my units conversions right (table of pressure units), that works out to 46 microns of Hg.

Our current laboratory high vacuum line is pulling about 1400 microns of Hg. So Pluto has 30x LESS pressure than our laboratory vacuum line.

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QUOTE (nprev @ Jul 31 2008, 06:24 PM) *
Wow...that's just mind-blowingly thin, yet it's enough to foster frost formation! blink.gif Thanks; that broadened my own horizons a bit with respect to what is possible.



And actually, the pressure (~10 microbars), temperature (~105K), and composition (N2-dominated) in Pluto's troposphere, are each very much like the same parameters in Earth's mesosphere, 80 km overhead, where noctilucent clouds form.

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QUOTE (vjkane @ Jul 31 2008, 05:24 PM) *
If i recall, the Martian surface pressure is 0.7% of Earth's, so this would be 0.00007% of Earth's surface pressure. Don't forget the spacesuit!

The pressure estimated here was for Charon = .01% of Mars which equals 0.007% of Earth surface.

Pluto, by comparison, is an ocean of gaseous fluid.


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QUOTE (Alan Stern @ Jul 31 2008, 11:17 AM) *
Inversion of the refractive phase delay from stellar occultations indicates a pressure of a few to perhaps 60 microbars.

I'm astonished, really 60 microbars ? It's 3-5 times more than pressure in Triton's atmosphere (12-20 microbars). Earlier results were much more conservative. Report from observations a multi-station stellar occultation by Charon (B. Sicardy, A. Bellucci, E. Gendron) give upper limits of 110 and 15 nanobar for an atmosphere around Charon, assuming respectively a pure nitrogen or pure methane atmosphere.
Charon's size and an upper limit on its atmosphere from a stellar occultation.



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post Aug 5 2008, 06:28 PM
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QUOTE (peter59 @ Aug 5 2008, 06:18 PM) *
I'm astonished, really 60 microbars ? It's 3-5 times more than pressure in Triton's atmosphere (12-20 microbars). Earlier results were much more conservative. Report from observations a multi-station stellar occultation by Charon (B. Sicardy, A. Bellucci, E. Gendron) give upper limits of 110 and 15 nanobar for an atmosphere around Charon, assuming respectively a pure nitrogen or pure methane atmosphere.
Charon's size and an upper limit on its atmosphere from a stellar occultation.



I am betting on 10 microbar class myself, it if doesn't collapse first, but since no one knows the depth below which the occultations have not probes, it is possible (originally John Stansberry's idea) that the prssre at the base could be many tens of microbars.

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post Aug 26 2008, 03:39 PM
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QUOTE (Alan Stern @ Aug 5 2008, 06:28 PM) *
I am betting on 10 microbar class myself, it if doesn't collapse first, but since no one knows the depth below which the occultations have not probes, it is possible (originally John Stansberry's idea) that the prssre at the base could be many tens of microbars.

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post Aug 26 2008, 05:52 PM
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Would anybody rolleyes.gif have a detailed timeline of major events for the upcoming 3 months checkout & cruise science period? It would look good on my realtime simulation ...


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post Sep 9 2008, 07:04 PM
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I noticed from a recent Twitter entry that...

"During October in this annual checkout, New Horizons will use its LORRI imager observe Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto"

I am curious as to what resolution we will see? I recall that shortly after Jupiter LORRI observed Pluto as a lone pixel. While I'm sure October's observations will not resolve Pluto as a disc, is it expected that Uranus and/or Neptune will be?

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post Sep 9 2008, 07:13 PM
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QUOTE (YesRushGen @ Sep 9 2008, 09:04 PM) *
While I'm sure October's observations will not resolve Pluto as a disc, is it expected that Uranus and/or Neptune will be?

According to Emily, neither Uranus nor Neptune are expected to be resolved.


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post Sep 9 2008, 08:25 PM
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QUOTE (Paolo Amoroso @ Sep 9 2008, 08:13 PM) *
According to Emily, neither Uranus nor Neptune are expected to be resolved.


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New Horizons is doing phase curves of Uranus, Neptune, Triton and Pluto (and later Charon) as we
cross the solar system and can look at these objects from illumination geometries only seen in the outer solar system. One does not need to resolve the objects to accomplish this unique science (which cannot be done from Earth or Earth orbit). That said, we *will* just marginally resolve Uranus, but no one should wet their pants, I am talking just over 1 LORRI resolution element (our highest resolution imager).

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post Sep 10 2008, 06:12 AM
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QUOTE (Alan Stern @ Sep 9 2008, 01:25 PM) *
...That said, we *will* just marginally resolve Uranus, but no one should wet their pants, I am talking just over 1 pixel.


I guess Titania and Oberon aren't bright enough for phase curves? Or is it a viewing-angle issue?
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