New Horizons: Pre-launch, launch and main cruise, Pluto and the Kuiper belt |
New Horizons: Pre-launch, launch and main cruise, Pluto and the Kuiper belt |
Jul 31 2008, 11:17 AM
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Interesting info about Pluto's atmosphere & its interaction with Charon, Alan; thanks! Do we have any idea at all what the current surface pressure might be, or what that atmosphere's total mass is? I'm guessing a few millibars at best, but the exceedingly weak surface gravity might make that estimate too high. Inversion of the refractive phase delay from stellar occultations indicates a pressure of a few to perhaps 60 microbars, Nprev-- at most about 1% the Martian pressure. Alan |
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Jul 31 2008, 04:24 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 706 Joined: 22-April 05 Member No.: 351 |
Inversion of the refractive phase delay from stellar occultations indicates a pressure of a few to perhaps 60 microbars, Nprev-- at most about 1% the Martian pressure. If i recall, the Martian surface pressure is 0.7% of Earth's, so this would be 0.00007% of Earth's surface pressure. Don't forget the spacesuit! -------------------- |
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Jul 31 2008, 05:24 PM
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Merciless Robot Group: Admin Posts: 8783 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
Wow...that's just mind-blowingly thin, yet it's enough to foster frost formation! Thanks; that broadened my own horizons a bit with respect to what is possible.
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Jul 31 2008, 05:41 PM
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Senior Member Group: Moderator Posts: 2785 Joined: 10-November 06 From: Pasadena, CA Member No.: 1345 |
If I did my units conversions right (table of pressure units), that works out to 46 microns of Hg.
Our current laboratory high vacuum line is pulling about 1400 microns of Hg. So Pluto has 30x LESS pressure than our laboratory vacuum line. -Mike -------------------- Some higher resolution images available at my photostream: http://www.flickr.com/photos/31678681@N07/
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Jul 31 2008, 05:48 PM
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Wow...that's just mind-blowingly thin, yet it's enough to foster frost formation! Thanks; that broadened my own horizons a bit with respect to what is possible. And actually, the pressure (~10 microbars), temperature (~105K), and composition (N2-dominated) in Pluto's troposphere, are each very much like the same parameters in Earth's mesosphere, 80 km overhead, where noctilucent clouds form. -Alan |
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Jul 31 2008, 07:12 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 706 Joined: 22-April 05 Member No.: 351 |
If i recall, the Martian surface pressure is 0.7% of Earth's, so this would be 0.00007% of Earth's surface pressure. Don't forget the spacesuit! The pressure estimated here was for Charon = .01% of Mars which equals 0.007% of Earth surface. Pluto, by comparison, is an ocean of gaseous fluid. -------------------- |
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Aug 5 2008, 06:18 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 568 Joined: 20-April 05 From: Silesia Member No.: 299 |
Inversion of the refractive phase delay from stellar occultations indicates a pressure of a few to perhaps 60 microbars. I'm astonished, really 60 microbars ? It's 3-5 times more than pressure in Triton's atmosphere (12-20 microbars). Earlier results were much more conservative. Report from observations a multi-station stellar occultation by Charon (B. Sicardy, A. Bellucci, E. Gendron) give upper limits of 110 and 15 nanobar for an atmosphere around Charon, assuming respectively a pure nitrogen or pure methane atmosphere. Charon's size and an upper limit on its atmosphere from a stellar occultation. -------------------- Free software for planetary science (including Cassini Image Viewer).
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Aug 5 2008, 06:28 PM
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I'm astonished, really 60 microbars ? It's 3-5 times more than pressure in Triton's atmosphere (12-20 microbars). Earlier results were much more conservative. Report from observations a multi-station stellar occultation by Charon (B. Sicardy, A. Bellucci, E. Gendron) give upper limits of 110 and 15 nanobar for an atmosphere around Charon, assuming respectively a pure nitrogen or pure methane atmosphere. Charon's size and an upper limit on its atmosphere from a stellar occultation. I am betting on 10 microbar class myself, it if doesn't collapse first, but since no one knows the depth below which the occultations have not probes, it is possible (originally John Stansberry's idea) that the prssre at the base could be many tens of microbars. -Alan |
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Aug 26 2008, 03:39 PM
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I am betting on 10 microbar class myself, it if doesn't collapse first, but since no one knows the depth below which the occultations have not probes, it is possible (originally John Stansberry's idea) that the prssre at the base could be many tens of microbars. -Alan NH went live on Facebook yesterday: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=695...6532&ref=mf A FB group page is also coming soon to a URL near you. Summer hibernation ends next Tuesday, and within a week we'll have new C&DH software uploaded with new capabilities for the encounters. Alan |
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Aug 26 2008, 05:52 PM
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Now that's what I call a superb "monthly" update!
Thanks Alan! |
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Aug 28 2008, 12:00 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 340 Joined: 11-April 08 From: Sydney, Australia Member No.: 4093 |
Would anybody have a detailed timeline of major events for the upcoming 3 months checkout & cruise science period? It would look good on my realtime simulation ...
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Sep 9 2008, 07:04 PM
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Junior Member Group: Members Posts: 76 Joined: 26-May 04 Member No.: 77 |
I noticed from a recent Twitter entry that...
"During October in this annual checkout, New Horizons will use its LORRI imager observe Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto" I am curious as to what resolution we will see? I recall that shortly after Jupiter LORRI observed Pluto as a lone pixel. While I'm sure October's observations will not resolve Pluto as a disc, is it expected that Uranus and/or Neptune will be? Kelly |
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Sep 9 2008, 07:13 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 109 Joined: 20-January 07 From: Milano, ITALY Member No.: 1633 |
While I'm sure October's observations will not resolve Pluto as a disc, is it expected that Uranus and/or Neptune will be? According to Emily, neither Uranus nor Neptune are expected to be resolved. Paolo Amoroso -------------------- Avventure Planetarie - Blog sulla comunicazione e divulgazione scientifica
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Sep 9 2008, 08:25 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 529 Joined: 19-February 05 Member No.: 173 |
New Horizons is doing phase curves of Uranus, Neptune, Triton and Pluto (and later Charon) as we cross the solar system and can look at these objects from illumination geometries only seen in the outer solar system. One does not need to resolve the objects to accomplish this unique science (which cannot be done from Earth or Earth orbit). That said, we *will* just marginally resolve Uranus, but no one should wet their pants, I am talking just over 1 LORRI resolution element (our highest resolution imager). Alan |
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Sep 10 2008, 06:12 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 509 Joined: 2-July 05 From: Calgary, Alberta Member No.: 426 |
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