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Deep Impact camera data, Messing about with images from the PDS
elakdawalla
post Dec 28 2009, 07:06 PM
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I'm wondering if anybody here has spent any time working on the Tempel 1 images from Deep Impact. The data are available at the Small Bodies Node (see e.g. http://pdssbn.astro.umd.edu/holdings/dif-c...0/dataset.html), and Version 2 of the PDS archive (which appears to have been published 3 years ago) includes versions of the data that have been calibrated, cleaned of instrument artifacts, and converted to units of radiance and also I/F. The HRI data have not been deconvolved to remove the blur: a bit of playing shows that without deconvolution, HRI images look pretty similar to MRI images. Attached is a color composite I made of the highest-resolution full-globe shots of Tempel 1 captured by the MRI before the impact. The image isn't big but there's more variety in color than I expected. This is made from the I/F images and is an RGB composite of red, green, and violet continuum filter images, overlaid over a clear image that I sharpened slightly. It's very red, but I think that's real.

Has anybody else worked with these?
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post Dec 29 2009, 06:04 PM
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For context, here's what the raw images from Stardust at Wild 2 looked like.

http://www.planetary.org/explore/topics/as...2_stardust.html

Stardust will get slightly closer to Tempel 1, which is about double the diameter of Wild 2. So in theory we should get better pictures of Tempel 1 than we got from the MRI, but not as sharp as the ITS, and there's no color capability.


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post Dec 29 2009, 06:10 PM
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Stardust's camera is a spare Cassini WAC, so it is quite good.

I don't understand what all this attention to color is about unless we are talking about bringing out extreme minutia to study composition. Based on everything I can tell via HRI, we are dealing with something that is essentially colorless. Other than tweaking out the overall hue of the scene, I don't see much to do.


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post Dec 29 2009, 06:29 PM
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QUOTE (tedstryk @ Dec 29 2009, 07:10 PM) *
I don't understand what all this attention to color is about unless we are talking about bringing out extreme minutia to study composition.

To each his own, I guess.

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Based on everything I can tell via HRI, we are dealing with something that is essentially colorless. Other than tweaking out the overall hue of the scene, I don't see much to do.

It's not completely colorless uniform in color - those white patches for example stand out on this hemisphere. For me personally, simple colorizations often don't pass the sniff test in that they look more fake to me than original monochromatic data. In such cases I'd rather have the original grayscale representation.


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post Dec 30 2009, 03:34 PM
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QUOTE (ugordan @ Dec 29 2009, 06:29 PM) *
For me personally, simple colorizations often don't pass the sniff test in that they look more fake to me than original monochromatic data. In such cases I'd rather have the original grayscale representation.


That often has a lot to do with poor saturation modeling.


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post Dec 30 2009, 04:32 PM
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QUOTE (tedstryk @ Dec 30 2009, 07:34 AM) *
That often has a lot to do with poor saturation modeling.


That is definitely true with colorings of images back on the home planet, contrast too. People have a tendency to jack up color contrasts way beyond what is reasonable. With this or any art whether it's writing, or carpentry or anything you spend a long time working on, I find it's best to put the job away for a while then come back a day later and ask yourself what jumped out at you when the project was reopened.

I think Gordan's issue is probably is with "blanket" color efforts where a single color is draped over a large section of an image. A really good colorist (did I just make that up?) will apply subtle hue and saturation variations based on variations in image density that are woven or spotted through a section that might otherwise be treated as one color. There's one person here at UMSF who is a master at it.


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- elakdawalla   Deep Impact camera data   Dec 28 2009, 07:06 PM
- - ugordan   Haven't worked with Tempel 1 data yet because ...   Dec 28 2009, 07:28 PM
|- - ugordan   Right, here's what playing with RED, GREEN_CON...   Dec 28 2009, 07:54 PM
- - elakdawalla   Yeah, with the Tempel 1 data especially I wish the...   Dec 28 2009, 07:57 PM
- - elakdawalla   Cross-posting Thanks for your version. Guess I...   Dec 28 2009, 08:02 PM
- - machi   Just old images, but nothing perfect. First is mos...   Dec 28 2009, 08:10 PM
- - elakdawalla   Hooray -- just discovered that IMG2PNG handles the...   Dec 28 2009, 08:18 PM
|- - tedstryk   I have worked with a few images.   Dec 28 2009, 08:35 PM
- - elakdawalla   Nice, is that one of the lookback frames? Funny s...   Dec 28 2009, 09:19 PM
|- - tedstryk   It is a large stack of deconvolved lookback frames...   Dec 28 2009, 09:31 PM
- - elakdawalla   OK, here's the HRI O-G-B combo. Pretty blurry...   Dec 28 2009, 09:55 PM
|- - ugordan   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Dec 28 2009, 10:55 P...   Dec 28 2009, 10:33 PM
- - elakdawalla   OK, here's a pretty fictional image -- it...   Dec 28 2009, 10:10 PM
- - machi   Not best, but quickest is probably "per parte...   Dec 28 2009, 10:28 PM
|- - ElkGroveDan   QUOTE (machi @ Dec 28 2009, 02:28 PM) Her...   Dec 29 2009, 05:40 PM
- - elakdawalla   Sorry, Gordan, I meant OGB! I fixed that in m...   Dec 28 2009, 11:09 PM
|- - ugordan   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Dec 29 2009, 12:09 A...   Dec 28 2009, 11:42 PM
- - machi   "per partes". First rough match of the c...   Dec 29 2009, 12:04 AM
|- - ugordan   QUOTE (machi @ Dec 29 2009, 01:04 AM) Thi...   Dec 29 2009, 04:11 PM
|- - tedstryk   I will often work with images at 5x...that signifi...   Dec 29 2009, 05:19 PM
- - elakdawalla   For context, here's what the raw images from S...   Dec 29 2009, 06:04 PM
|- - tedstryk   Stardust's camera is a spare Cassini WAC, so i...   Dec 29 2009, 06:10 PM
|- - ugordan   QUOTE (tedstryk @ Dec 29 2009, 07:10 PM) ...   Dec 29 2009, 06:29 PM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (ugordan @ Dec 29 2009, 06:29 PM) F...   Dec 30 2009, 03:34 PM
|- - ElkGroveDan   QUOTE (tedstryk @ Dec 30 2009, 07:34 AM) ...   Dec 30 2009, 04:32 PM
|- - DFinfrock   QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Dec 30 2009, 04:32 P...   Dec 31 2009, 02:03 AM
- - brellis   Color pics are really just a relatively narrow ban...   Dec 31 2009, 03:36 AM
|- - tedstryk   Very true.   Dec 31 2009, 04:49 AM
|- - ugordan   QUOTE (brellis @ Dec 31 2009, 04:36 AM) C...   Dec 31 2009, 11:59 AM
|- - ugordan   Here are a few color pics I've been working on...   Jan 1 2010, 09:19 PM
- - Stu   Some of your most beautiful work yet, without a do...   Jan 1 2010, 09:37 PM
- - nprev   Yes...truly dramatic images with genuine impact (u...   Jan 1 2010, 09:50 PM
|- - ugordan   Departing Tempel 1 - animated GIF (4 MB) of 12 HRI...   Jan 3 2010, 11:00 PM
- - machi   Back to the archives! Tempel 1 from DI Impacto...   Nov 9 2010, 03:07 AM
- - Hungry4info   Wow that is nice!   Nov 9 2010, 04:18 AM
- - Decepticon   OMG!!! Amazing!   Nov 10 2010, 12:06 AM
- - ilbasso   With the blurry view off of the focal center of ea...   Nov 10 2010, 12:57 PM
- - machi   "With the blurry view off of the focal center...   Nov 10 2010, 02:45 PM
- - ElkGroveDan   At first I got the same impression that Ilbasso di...   Nov 10 2010, 03:12 PM
- - nprev   Yeah, I noticed the same thing IB did as well...ve...   Nov 10 2010, 03:50 PM
- - djellison   Reminds me of this image http://cache.boston.com/u...   Nov 10 2010, 04:09 PM


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