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First real challenge to General Relativity?, (and not from Gravity Probe-B)
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post Mar 23 2006, 09:50 PM
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...in the form of what may be an accidentally discovered artificial gravity generator, with possible practical applications!:
http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/GSP/SEM0L6OVGJE_0.html

If this effect is real, it's fully 1/10,000 G -- which is not to be sneezed at, and might conceivably lead us to Bigger Things.
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post Mar 25 2006, 10:18 PM
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Jeffrey Bell, ever the party-pooper, sends me the following E-mail:

"These gentlemen have previously published theoretical papers on this
effect in three journals:

"INDIAN JOURNAL OF PHYSICS
JOURNAL OF THEORETICS (sic)
PHYSICA C

"These are all fringe physics journals. PHYSICA C published Polednikov's
now-discredited gravity screening work. I'll wait for this 'discovery'
to appear in PHYSICS REVIEW, like most serious work in this field."
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post Mar 26 2006, 01:26 AM
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QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 25 2006, 03:18 PM) *
Jeffrey Bell, ever the party-pooper, sends me the following E-mail:

"These gentlemen have previously published theoretical papers on this
effect in three journals:

"INDIAN JOURNAL OF PHYSICS
JOURNAL OF THEORETICS (sic)
PHYSICA C

"These are all fringe physics journals. PHYSICA C published Polednikov's
now-discredited gravity screening work. I'll wait for this 'discovery'
to appear in PHYSICS REVIEW, like most serious work in this field."

Thanks for the heads up.

Fortunately, this will not be a difficult experimental setup to duplicate. (I would try to do it myself, if they would let me back in the NMR room huh.gif ) Let's hope this does not argue down to "But you have to use nickel from the slobovia mine excavated between 1963 and 1967!...". One Stanley Pons is enough.

If there is a red flag in the data already presented, it is the 30 magnitude number - something that out-of-wack should have surfaced before. This is one of the weaknesses of being on the fringe - it is easy to read more credibity into a goofy paper than it is for skeptics with more faith in the system...odd paradox.
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- BruceMoomaw   First real challenge to General Relativity?   Mar 23 2006, 09:50 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   The actual paper ( http://esamultimedia.esa.int/do...   Mar 23 2006, 10:14 PM
- - ugordan   Weren't there experiments and claims (by a rus...   Mar 23 2006, 10:17 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   Sorry about the misspelling. Their actual passage...   Mar 23 2006, 10:29 PM
|- - ugordan   Very interesting, indeed. Though I have a hard tim...   Mar 23 2006, 10:38 PM
- - tty   If the effect is proportional to speed of rotation...   Mar 23 2006, 10:52 PM
|- - ugordan   QUOTE (tty @ Mar 23 2006, 11:52 PM) If th...   Mar 23 2006, 10:57 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   I believe -- although I may be wrong, given my Mr....   Mar 24 2006, 02:32 AM
|- - ugordan   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 24 2006, 03:32 A...   Mar 24 2006, 08:14 AM
|- - The Messenger   QUOTE (ugordan @ Mar 24 2006, 01:14 AM) N...   Mar 24 2006, 03:22 PM
- - The Messenger   This is going to be very difficult to confirm, and...   Mar 24 2006, 06:18 AM
- - Richard Trigaux   The Lens-Thiring effect, or magnetogravitationnal ...   Mar 24 2006, 08:32 AM
|- - ugordan   QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Mar 24 2006, 09...   Mar 24 2006, 09:05 AM
||- - Richard Trigaux   QUOTE (ugordan @ Mar 24 2006, 10:05 AM) O...   Mar 24 2006, 09:49 AM
||- - ugordan   QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Mar 24 2006, 10...   Mar 24 2006, 09:55 AM
||- - dtolman   QUOTE (ugordan @ Mar 24 2006, 04:55 AM) S...   Mar 24 2006, 03:02 PM
||- - gpurcell   QUOTE (dtolman @ Mar 24 2006, 03:02 PM) S...   Mar 24 2006, 04:15 PM
|||- - The Messenger   QUOTE (gpurcell @ Mar 24 2006, 09:15 AM) ...   Mar 24 2006, 04:36 PM
||- - nprev   QUOTE (dtolman @ Mar 24 2006, 07:02 AM) E...   Mar 24 2006, 08:08 PM
|- - Marz   QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Mar 24 2006, 02...   Mar 24 2006, 09:07 PM
|- - Richard Trigaux   [quote name='Marz' date='Mar 24 2006, ...   Mar 24 2006, 09:44 PM
||- - Marz   QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Mar 24 2006, 03...   Mar 24 2006, 11:00 PM
||- - Richard Trigaux   QUOTE (Marz @ Mar 25 2006, 12:00 AM) Than...   Mar 25 2006, 07:38 AM
|- - nprev   QUOTE (Marz @ Mar 24 2006, 01:07 PM) Ok.....   Mar 25 2006, 06:11 AM
|- - Richard Trigaux   QUOTE (nprev @ Mar 25 2006, 07:11 AM) (Re...   Mar 25 2006, 08:35 AM
|- - nprev   QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Mar 25 2006, 12...   Mar 25 2006, 09:08 AM
|- - Richard Trigaux   QUOTE (nprev @ Mar 25 2006, 10:08 AM) You...   Mar 25 2006, 04:54 PM
|- - ugordan   Why is it that any out-of-the ordinary claim has t...   Mar 25 2006, 05:02 PM
||- - Richard Trigaux   QUOTE (ugordan @ Mar 25 2006, 06:02 PM) W...   Mar 25 2006, 06:25 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   Richard: It's not just the facts of science w...   Mar 25 2006, 10:28 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   Oops. I was indeed wrong about the definition of ...   Mar 24 2006, 03:35 PM
- - Richard Trigaux   Heeeeemmmm... many wild speculations in latest po...   Mar 24 2006, 08:33 PM
|- - The Messenger   QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Mar 24 2006, 01...   Mar 24 2006, 09:49 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   I can vouch for the fact that quantum gravity theo...   Mar 24 2006, 09:36 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   Jeffrey Bell, ever the party-pooper, sends me the ...   Mar 25 2006, 10:18 PM
|- - The Messenger   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 25 2006, 03:18 P...   Mar 26 2006, 01:26 AM
|- - tty   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 26 2006, 12:18 A...   Mar 26 2006, 05:01 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   Did Jay Ward ever say just WHERE that Upsidaisium ...   Mar 26 2006, 04:14 AM
- - dvandorn   Ummm... directly over the vault where the formula ...   Mar 26 2006, 04:42 AM
- - nprev   From Wikipedia's article on Boris Badenov, inf...   Mar 26 2006, 05:29 AM
- - edstrick   Bob Shaw: "Or we could just put a Caution: Ma...   Mar 26 2006, 09:22 AM
- - Richard Trigaux   Sorry ugordan, but seemingly I am not alone to be ...   Mar 26 2006, 08:28 PM
- - ugordan   QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Mar 26 2006, 10...   Mar 26 2006, 09:04 PM
- - Richard Trigaux   QUOTE (ugordan @ Mar 26 2006, 10:04 PM) C...   Mar 26 2006, 09:17 PM
- - ugordan   QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Mar 26 2006, 11...   Mar 26 2006, 09:23 PM


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