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Odyssey and MER Budgets Cut
Ryan
post Mar 24 2008, 09:11 PM
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Just found out today at a MER all-hands meeting that both MER and Odyssey will each be suffering an immediate $4 million budget cut to help defray the cost of MSL. Read more here: http://martianchronicles.wordpress.com/200...rs-budget-cuts/
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vjkane
post Mar 26 2008, 09:07 PM
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I am deeply, deeply saddened by Alan's departure. Having watched many organizations fail for lack of leadership, I know that Alan was just such a leader. He is among a small, select group.

As for how we get out of this mess of feuding fiefdoms (whether or not that was the cause of Alan's departure), I'll share my perspective. In the mid-80s when planetary exploration in NASA was near death, the community put together a prioritized set of missions. (I'm traveling and can't just look in my library to give you the name of the report.) From that vision, Mars Observer, Cassini, CRAF (sadly cancelled), and the Discovery program was born. Since then, however, the big decisions seems to have come from administrator fiat. The Mars program with its faster, cheaper, and more failure prone mantra. Then the decision to do to MER's rather than one (at the expense of an American-French lander for Rosetta and other lost opportunities). The Europa orbiter has been a succession of on, off, on with stupidity written all over it, off again decision made by NASA administrators.

Alan (and I don't know what role other senior NASA administration played) attempted to set a new balance. The problem with management by decree is that it brings out all kinds of ugly politics because if you can apply enough pressure to the decision maker or get him/her replaced, you can change the decision without having to compromise with other stakeholders.

The astronomy world has developed a method to get beyond that process with its decadal studies. I hear that the internal politics can be brutal, but once the community decides, the community backs the priority list. The process certainly isn't perfect. The last decadal study grossly under estimated the cost of several of the high priority missions, especially JWST. (One way to avoid the hard decisions is to accept costs you know aren't real so everyone thinks their priorities are included. NASA is now putting more resources in cost estimations for these efforts to lessen this problem in the future.)

I think that the planetary program needs its own vetting of priorities by the community. (I seem to vaguely remember that such a process is under way or will start soon.) Unfortunately, the solar system has three expensive priority targets -- Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn -- along with a myriad of targets that get no where near the attention they should in a more perfect world (err, solar system). It is simply impossible to do 'A' level efforts (that a grade of A American style of grading for those used to the British system with its E, O, A (and my apologies if I mangled the British system)) for all these targets. The community needs to decide if we simply ignore some targets, rotate targets (which Alan was trying to do), or accept B and/or C level work for all of them. There is no right answer, but the planetary community needs to decide which is the one it can best live with. And then stand by it.


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- Ryan   Odyssey and MER Budgets Cut   Mar 24 2008, 09:11 PM
- - brellis   Sorry to hear about it. There was at one point a ...   Mar 24 2008, 09:57 PM
- - djellison   I'm writing emails to people to see what, if a...   Mar 24 2008, 11:07 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (djellison @ Mar 24 2008, 03:07 PM)...   Mar 25 2008, 02:39 AM
|- - ElkGroveDan   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Mar 24 2008, 06:39 PM...   Mar 25 2008, 04:18 AM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Mar 24 2008, 06:39 PM...   Mar 25 2008, 04:20 AM
||- - edstrick   "... Magellan obviously could have provided S...   Mar 25 2008, 06:25 AM
|- - slinted   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Mar 24 2008, 06:39 PM...   Mar 25 2008, 05:11 AM
- - nprev   I'm sure Emily's aware; hopefully, TPS wil...   Mar 24 2008, 11:28 PM
- - Stu   Just got in from work to find this news. Unbelieva...   Mar 24 2008, 11:52 PM
|- - ElkGroveDan   QUOTE (Stu @ Mar 24 2008, 03:52 PM) Obvio...   Mar 25 2008, 12:16 AM
- - djellison   Yup - I'd ask people to hang tight from the ra...   Mar 24 2008, 11:57 PM
- - nprev   Agreed. There are a lot of systemic factors to con...   Mar 25 2008, 12:59 AM
|- - brellis   QUOTE (nprev @ Mar 24 2008, 05:59 PM) I...   Mar 25 2008, 01:12 AM
||- - Stu   QUOTE (brellis @ Mar 25 2008, 01:12 AM) h...   Mar 25 2008, 08:25 AM
|- - Stu   QUOTE (nprev @ Mar 25 2008, 12:59 AM) apo...   Mar 25 2008, 01:27 AM
- - nprev   Thanks for the words of encouragement, O Poet Laur...   Mar 25 2008, 01:46 AM
|- - brellis   A while back I wondered if due to budget constrain...   Mar 25 2008, 02:15 AM
|- - nprev   QUOTE (brellis @ Mar 24 2008, 07:15 PM) H...   Mar 25 2008, 02:25 AM
|- - laurele   QUOTE (nprev @ Mar 24 2008, 10:25 PM) Tru...   Mar 25 2008, 04:12 AM
- - merman   Hi all, It is important for everyone to realize t...   Mar 25 2008, 02:26 AM
|- - Stu   QUOTE (merman @ Mar 25 2008, 02:26 AM) St...   Mar 25 2008, 08:32 AM
|- - Greg Hullender   QUOTE (Stu @ Mar 25 2008, 12:32 AM) Quest...   Mar 25 2008, 03:09 PM
- - Astro0   This has hit the wider media already... http://sci...   Mar 25 2008, 02:44 AM
- - Aussie   I am not sure that outrage is warranted. My under...   Mar 25 2008, 03:02 AM
- - Greg Hullender   Well, I wrote my congressman, BUT it already looks...   Mar 25 2008, 03:40 AM
|- - nprev   QUOTE (Greg Hullender @ Mar 24 2008, 07:4...   Mar 25 2008, 03:48 AM
- - mchan   Click on Astro's link to CNN above.   Mar 25 2008, 04:00 AM
- - nprev   Ah...thanks, mchan. "Mixed signals"...y...   Mar 25 2008, 04:06 AM
- - mcaplinger   I would argue that Odyssey is far more likely to y...   Mar 25 2008, 05:05 AM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Mar 25 2008, 05:05 AM...   Mar 25 2008, 08:51 AM
||- - tedstryk   The seemingly odd NASA response about not being w...   Mar 25 2008, 09:50 AM
|- - nprev   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Mar 24 2008, 10:05 PM...   Mar 25 2008, 12:26 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (nprev @ Mar 25 2008, 04:26 AM) Mor...   Mar 25 2008, 05:11 PM
|- - elakdawalla   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Mar 25 2008, 09:11 AM...   Mar 25 2008, 05:39 PM
- - elakdawalla   Here's a question I don't know the answer ...   Mar 25 2008, 05:14 AM
|- - JRehling   In what is serendipitous timing, a piece on Odysse...   Mar 25 2008, 05:49 AM
|- - edstrick   "...Spirit's not a real "weather sta...   Mar 25 2008, 06:31 AM
||- - ustrax   So one goes out for the Easter and when one return...   Mar 25 2008, 11:36 AM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Mar 24 2008, 09:14 P...   Mar 25 2008, 04:15 PM
- - PhilCo126   Indeed lots of media intrest: NASA budget cut thre...   Mar 25 2008, 11:58 AM
- - Adam   http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080324/ap_on_...5kyVt...   Mar 25 2008, 12:22 PM
- - climber   I'd thought that Nasa (or whoever it is) would...   Mar 25 2008, 01:49 PM
|- - ustrax   Guys, just got the info that it seems like the sit...   Mar 25 2008, 02:04 PM
- - elakdawalla   "in this discussion," Mike, "in thi...   Mar 25 2008, 05:02 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Mar 25 2008, 09:02 A...   Mar 25 2008, 05:12 PM
|- - Of counsel   Breaking news? NASA: Mars rovers won't be cut...   Mar 25 2008, 05:44 PM
||- - PaulM   I read an interview with Steve Squyres (it might h...   Mar 25 2008, 06:18 PM
||- - JRehling   Phoenix will eventually be encased with seasonal p...   Mar 25 2008, 06:23 PM
|- - brellis   Edit: just read your link, Phil - what a relief...   Mar 25 2008, 07:02 PM
- - bmerrow   The directive was rescinded an hour ago - there wi...   Mar 25 2008, 06:00 PM
|- - imipak   QUOTE (bmerrow @ Mar 25 2008, 06:00 PM) T...   Mar 25 2008, 06:11 PM
|- - JRehling   If you go to Google news and search for "Mars...   Mar 25 2008, 06:12 PM
- - PhilCo126   http://www.physorg.com/news125666692.html   Mar 25 2008, 06:44 PM
- - Astro0   This reprieve is good news, but let's keep a v...   Mar 26 2008, 01:05 AM
|- - merman   Thank you, everyone, for your support and help wit...   Mar 26 2008, 02:22 PM
- - vjkane   The money restored to MER and Odyssey will have to...   Mar 26 2008, 02:26 AM
|- - MahFL   Good news. Always a stupid idea turning off workin...   Mar 26 2008, 12:14 PM
|- - tedstryk   As was pointed out earlier, the kind of money we a...   Mar 26 2008, 01:04 PM
- - Stu   Not wanting to kick a gift horse in the mouth and ...   Mar 26 2008, 01:18 PM
|- - tedstryk   Like I have said, at the LPSC, there was a great t...   Mar 26 2008, 01:44 PM
- - elakdawalla   My understanding from some Odyssey folks is that t...   Mar 26 2008, 03:45 PM
- - Mariner9   I agree that the debates have barely begun. Th...   Mar 26 2008, 06:04 PM
- - djellison   I've moved two posts that are about a broader ...   Mar 26 2008, 06:11 PM
- - djellison   Having done that - here's my thoughts. Fundin...   Mar 26 2008, 06:33 PM
|- - JRehling   The problem with a scarcity of resources is that i...   Mar 28 2008, 09:07 PM
- - blairf   Following the resource allocation question to a na...   Mar 26 2008, 08:17 PM
- - vjkane   I am deeply, deeply saddened by Alan's departu...   Mar 26 2008, 09:07 PM
- - Mariner9   But there is a decadal study in the planetary worl...   Mar 26 2008, 10:58 PM
|- - vjkane   QUOTE (Mariner9 @ Mar 26 2008, 10:58 PM) ...   Mar 26 2008, 11:21 PM
- - djellison   Good words at NW "While I have not agreed wi...   Mar 28 2008, 08:04 PM
- - gpurcell   Unfortunately, there is no real solution to the bu...   Mar 28 2008, 10:12 PM
- - vjkane   The process for prioritizing planetary missions re...   Mar 28 2008, 11:19 PM
- - Stu   Good news, I think...   Jun 13 2008, 10:29 PM
- - jmjawors   That's GREAT news! Of course, it'll s...   Jun 13 2008, 10:37 PM
- - mike   Personally I think both Titan and Europa are inter...   Jun 15 2008, 09:32 PM


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