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Mariner Mars 1964, Mariners 3 and 4 to Mars: imaging plans?
Phil Stooke
post Apr 28 2005, 05:05 PM
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I am currently working on a book about lunar exploration, but looking ahead to the next one, which will cover Mars. One question to which I think I have an answer - but I'd like to see what my fellow Mars enthusiasts think - is this:

Mariner 3 failed to leave Earth. But if it had flown successfully, what area on Mars would it have photographed?

My understanding is that there was no specific plan. The MM64 press kit, for instance, says nothing about image coverage for either Mariner 3 or Mariner 4. I believe that navigation to planetary distances was still so uncertain that the flight team could not predict at launch the sub-spacecraft point at closest approach - uncertainties included the exact time of the flyby, the distance and the point at which the spacecraft would pass through the target plane. These things would be known closer to the flyby but they weren't precisely predictable at launch, so Mariner 3 never got to the stage of having an imaging plan.

Am I right?

Phil


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post May 31 2006, 06:18 AM
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The scheme was more complex than that. It did involve launching Pioneer 5 toward Venus in early June 1959, but without a midcourse correction motor no one thought it would get anywhere close. HOWEVER: it also involved simultaneously launching the very first of the much bigger Atlas-Able Pioneer orbiters to Venus -- and since that had two restartable hydrazine motors sticking out of its poles, the plan really would been to make an honest effort to put it into Venus orbit. Aviation Week had several short items on it in 1959 -- and the NY Times of (I believe) May 1, 1959 made the plan's last-minute cancellation its front-page headline. (It was cancelled on the grounds that "the science payload could not be gotten ready in time", by which NASA may have meant the entire spacecraft.)

A second Pioneer orbiter was to be built simultaneously to be put into lunar orbit later. I've wasted a little time trying to find out what the exact science payload of the Venus version would have been, and all I've been able to find is one short paragraph in a 1959 aerospace magazine quoting a Democratic Louisiana Congressman briefly describing its payload on "Meet the Press" in a way that suggests it would have been identical to the payload on the lunar Atlas-Able orbiter -- that is, a bunch of fields and particles instruments plus a spin-scan IR photometer that could build up images (in this case, presumably a temperature map of Venus' cloud cover). No mention of a UV photometer, which would seem to be a natural for such a mission -- but such an orbiter could have given us radio occultations of the atmosphere.

I first heard about this plan all the way back in 1965, when I was 11 years old. (It was mentioned briefly in a back issue of "Sky and Telescope".) But finding information on it is like looking for an Upsidaisium mine -- you just find tiny crumbs here and there (including one brief mention in the June 1959 "American Mercury", H.L. Mencken's magazine which by then had been bought by a bunch of rabid right-wing anti-Semites who used to refer to "the Jewish termites gnawing at the Cross"). I finally found, in an early 1990s issue of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, a long historical reminiscence by a fields and particles scientist mentioning some of the instruments he'd put on these Atlas-Able orbiters, and I eagerly asked him for the Straight Dope -- only to be told that even HE had never heard of the Venus plan!

Anyway, after the cancellation of that plan, the goal of the smaller Pioneer 5 remained to be put into a solar orbit with its perihelion at Venus' orbit -- and after sitting on the pad through delay after delay during the last half of 1959, it finally got off the ground in March 1960 and became the only genuine success of the early Pioneers (although its perihelion ended up considerably outside Venus' orbit, and its power supply failed at a range of 22.5 million miles instead of the 50 million hoped for). The plan to launch a single Atlas-Able orbiter to the Moon remained; and after its planned October launch was scrubbed when the booster blew up during a September static test, NASA grabbed the Atlas planned for the cancelled second Mercury "Big Joe" test and launched it in late November -- only to end up with the infamous "turkey shoot" in which the shroud came off due to inadequate venting of internal air pressure, and the air blast then tore off the probe and third stage and crippled the second stage. No doubt this would have been its fate had it been launched to Venus in June.

Since this meant that there was still one spare Pioneer orbiter, Eisenhower gave permission to try to launch it to the Moon in late 1960 -- and to build a third copy for one last attempt if the second one failed. Unfortunately, both the second AND third tries also failed ignominously (due to failures of the second stage, which by then was usually working pretty reliably on Thor-Able). Both these versions had slightly changed science instruments -- the IR farside spin-scanner was removed and replaced by the first plasma probe on any NASA spacecraft, for instance. All the instruments on those two 1960 lunar orbiters were fields and particles; pretty much the only information they could have gotten on the Moon itself was to look for a magnetic field, but then that was also the case for Explorer 35. And so ended one of the stranger (and sadder) forgotten stories of the early Space Age.
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- Phil Stooke   Mariner Mars 1964   Apr 28 2005, 05:05 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   Well, actually it DID leave Earth -- it just left ...   Apr 28 2005, 10:52 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   Bruce: "Tell us about it, Janet!" ...   Apr 29 2005, 12:05 PM
||- - gndonald   QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Apr 29 2005, 08:05 PM)Bruce...   Aug 9 2005, 02:04 PM
|- - The Messenger   In 1964, the question of whether there were 'c...   Aug 11 2005, 10:22 PM
|- - tasp   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Apr 28 2005, 04:52 PM)Co...   Nov 29 2005, 03:32 AM
|- - DonPMitchell   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Apr 28 2005, 03:52 P...   May 31 2006, 03:48 AM
- - JRehling   QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Apr 28 2005, 10:05 AM)I ...   Apr 28 2005, 11:13 PM
- - Phil Stooke   Thanks for these comments. And Bruce, I was inadv...   Apr 29 2005, 12:31 AM
- - edstrick   Mariner 4 had a scan platform, and one option they...   Apr 29 2005, 09:35 AM
|- - peter59   QUOTE (edstrick @ Apr 29 2005, 09:35 AM)Marin...   Apr 29 2005, 07:22 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   Yep. In fact, they decided some months before the...   Apr 29 2005, 11:48 PM
- - edstrick   Bruce.. that matches what I recall without digging...   Apr 30 2005, 08:36 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   Yep, that's all correct. (Don't ask me ho...   Apr 30 2005, 01:35 PM
|- - tedstryk   A planet sensor might be more trouble than it is w...   Apr 30 2005, 02:27 PM
|- - Tom Tamlyn   In Bruce Murray's book "Journey into Spac...   Oct 29 2005, 02:22 AM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Tom Tamlyn @ Oct 28 2005, 06:22 PM)In ...   Nov 29 2005, 05:40 AM
- - Phil Stooke   Ted - thanks for this... I'm not doubting you,...   Apr 30 2005, 03:52 PM
|- - tedstryk   I've got some documentation of this somewhere ...   Apr 30 2005, 06:17 PM
- - edstrick   Mariner 69 and it's mission was designed aroun...   May 1 2005, 07:59 AM
- - edstrick   Ted... I'd assume a planet sensor would only b...   May 1 2005, 08:01 AM
- - PhilCo126   Phil Stooke ... when will You start the work on th...   Oct 27 2005, 04:49 PM
- - Phil Stooke   I'm in the editing phase on the Moon book. Ne...   Oct 27 2005, 04:50 PM
- - PhilCo126   Great Phil ... don't hesitate to contact me wh...   Oct 27 2005, 05:18 PM
- - PhilCo126   Phil ... with ' information ' I meant in f...   Nov 28 2005, 05:54 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   Fawning won't be necessary. It was indeed the...   Nov 29 2005, 05:56 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   You can find a brief Web reference to it: a chapte...   Nov 29 2005, 06:05 AM
|- - tasp   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Nov 29 2005, 12:05 AM)Yo...   Nov 29 2005, 06:19 AM
- - edstrick   Random note: The UV photometer that flew on Marin...   Nov 29 2005, 07:59 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   Try the combination of "Venus" and ...   Nov 29 2005, 08:00 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   Yeah, I've got the full dibs on the process by...   Nov 29 2005, 08:07 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   While we're on the subject of lost opportuniti...   Nov 29 2005, 08:19 AM
- - edstrick   Bruce Moomaw: ".... But they did come fairly...   Nov 29 2005, 08:33 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   They certainly came breathtakingly close before th...   Nov 29 2005, 09:08 AM
- - edstrick   I'd have to dig in my "stacks" to fi...   Nov 29 2005, 10:31 AM
- - ljk4-1   Any truth that Mariner 4's flight path was aim...   Mar 15 2006, 03:21 PM
- - Phil Stooke   Not really. Any long strip of images like that wo...   Mar 15 2006, 04:24 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   At that time they had very little confidence in th...   Mar 15 2006, 10:38 PM
- - edstrick   For the canal freaks, the flyby trajectory and vie...   Mar 16 2006, 07:53 AM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (edstrick @ Mar 16 2006, 07:53 AM) ...   Mar 16 2006, 04:25 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   Oh, yes. I well remember the shock when the dust ...   Mar 16 2006, 10:41 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 16 2006, 10:41 P...   Mar 17 2006, 11:28 PM
|- - Michael Capobianco   QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Mar 17 2006, 06:28 PM) ...   Mar 17 2006, 11:45 PM
- - PhilCo126   Talking about Mariner IX... Phil (Stooke) I've...   Mar 17 2006, 06:13 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   It was for me, too. Although I was already intere...   Mar 18 2006, 12:19 AM
|- - Michael Capobianco   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 17 2006, 07:19 P...   Mar 18 2006, 01:09 AM
|- - ljk4-1   'Now that we have a map, let's start colon...   Mar 20 2006, 04:16 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   The scheme was more complex than that. It did inv...   May 31 2006, 06:18 AM
|- - DonPMitchell   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ May 30 2006, 11:18 P...   May 31 2006, 06:33 AM
- - PhilHorzempa   I have been intrigued by the notion of comparing d...   Jun 9 2006, 04:57 AM
- - ljk4-1   Here are images of the famous Mariner Crater (Numb...   Jun 10 2006, 05:48 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   The odd thing about that famous Mariner IV crater ...   Jun 10 2006, 08:52 PM
|- - tedstryk   It also photographed half of Orcas (Orcus?) Patera...   Jun 10 2006, 09:04 PM
- - Phil Stooke   Another Phil asked: "Does anyone have acces...   Jun 11 2006, 12:15 AM
|- - Bob Shaw   Phil: It'd have been quite a good idea to ove...   Jun 11 2006, 12:47 AM
|- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Jun 10 2006, 08:15 P...   Jun 11 2006, 02:47 PM
- - edstrick   In Mariner 4's image #11 (THE crater), a fault...   Jun 11 2006, 09:45 AM
- - Phil Stooke   Bob, the Mariner 6 and 7 strips did intersect, in ...   Jun 11 2006, 11:53 AM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Jun 11 2006, 12:53 P...   Jun 11 2006, 01:18 PM
- - edstrick   Note that despite the overwhelming impression of h...   Jun 12 2006, 07:48 AM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (edstrick @ Jun 12 2006, 08:48 AM) ...   Jun 12 2006, 10:21 AM
|- - tedstryk   I think a lot of the reason was that the Tharsis a...   Jun 12 2006, 11:52 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   There was certainly little mention of this at the ...   Jun 12 2006, 08:54 AM
- - ljk4-1   The famous August, 1970 issue of National Geograph...   Jun 12 2006, 12:18 PM
- - Phil Stooke   Bruce said "There was certainly little mentio...   Jun 12 2006, 03:26 PM
- - peter59   Little bit of history. Mariner IV - voyage through...   Oct 22 2007, 03:57 PM
- - peter59   Little bit of history. Mariner IV - significant pr...   Nov 6 2007, 09:34 PM
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- - peter59   Van Allen belts detected by Mariner 4's Ion Ch...   Nov 9 2007, 10:47 PM
- - robspace54   For those who were born after 1970, you have to re...   Jan 18 2008, 08:44 PM
|- - peter59   QUOTE (robspace54 @ Jan 18 2008, 09:44 PM...   Jan 18 2008, 09:01 PM
||- - Paolo   wow! I really like those context images!   Jan 19 2008, 01:22 PM
|- - JRehling   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Gl_iRDdIUc Part o...   Jan 20 2008, 04:50 AM
- - dvandorn   Yes -- I never realized before that one of the Mar...   Jan 19 2008, 06:32 PM
- - peter59   Today is the 43 anniversary of the first Mars flyb...   Jul 14 2008, 08:20 AM
|- - Alan Stern   QUOTE (peter59 @ Jul 14 2008, 09:20 AM) T...   Jul 14 2008, 05:13 PM
- - nprev   Alan, please forgive me, but I really do have to a...   Jul 15 2008, 03:32 AM
|- - Alan Stern   QUOTE (nprev @ Jul 15 2008, 03:32 AM) Ala...   Jul 15 2008, 09:07 AM
- - volcanopele   Could be just as much of as coincidence as January...   Jul 15 2008, 03:36 AM
- - mchan   The NH Pluto / Mariner 4 Mars flyby connection was...   Jul 15 2008, 08:31 AM
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|- - tedstryk   I have put together a little commemorative compila...   Jul 15 2008, 07:32 PM
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- - ZLD   May be available from the NSSDC if you contact the...   Dec 17 2010, 09:59 PM
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- - djellison   They bracketed the values into big ranges - and ea...   Dec 18 2010, 12:29 AM
- - Phil Stooke   That was in the good old days when people used to ...   Dec 18 2010, 02:31 PM
- - peter59   I just found an old article in LIFE MAGAZINE (23 J...   Dec 24 2010, 09:47 AM
- - peter59   It was not very difficult. Numerical data, lines ...   Dec 24 2010, 02:27 PM
- - Paolo   nice find Peter!   Dec 24 2010, 04:20 PM
- - lyford   Wow, nice work! That is a holiday treat!   Dec 24 2010, 05:27 PM
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|- - SteveM   The task would not be straightforward since the nu...   Apr 18 2011, 10:56 PM
|- - peter59   QUOTE (SteveM @ Apr 18 2011, 10:56 PM) Th...   Apr 19 2011, 06:37 AM
- - djellison   It's in the hall of the Education and Comms of...   Apr 18 2011, 11:34 PM
- - Bjorn Jonsson   Wow!! This is a major improvement in quali...   Apr 19 2011, 01:26 PM
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