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One of many articles regarding the upcoming conference...

Experts meet to decide Pluto fate


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The editorial that appears in the August 17, 2006, issue of Nature:

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Nature 442, 719 (17 August 2006) | doi:10.1038/442719a; Published online 16 August 2006

Round objects

Planets are spherical, and the International Astronomical Union's attempt to make this part of their definition has merit.


There was once a prissy British civil servant who, when he came across a passage in a memo that displeased him, wrote "round objects" in the margin as a synonym for something ruder. This arch circumlocution was lost on the bluff minister he served, who fired back a query as to who this Round fellow was, and why he objected so much.

We can expect there to be plenty of members of the International Astronomical Union (IAU) who, reading the proposed new definition of a planet offered to them by their executive committee, will want to scrawl something equally rude and rather blunter in the margin — and will want to make their objections heard, possibly quite vociferously, at their general assembly in Prague this week (see page 724).

We understand and, to some extent, sympathize. But we would suggest that, instead, they acquiesce in the new definition, which will have the effect of increasing the number of planets in the Solar System to 12, and open the doors to more. They should do this for two reasons: it is not a bad definition; and it will at least stop the rumbling debate over the status of Pluto.

In the 1990s, it became clear that Pluto, the most newly discovered planet, was the most conspicuous of a crowd of icy 'trans-neptunian objects' (TNOs), some of which might well be larger. There was an obvious historical parallel to this situation with asteroids in the nineteenth century. When it was found that there were dozens of asteroids, Ceres, the largest and first discovered, was demoted from its position as a proper planet; it is now a 'minor planet' along with all the other asteroids. Pluto, it was argued by analogy, should be a minor planet with the rest of the TNOs on similar grounds.

This proposal sparked a degree of public debate that irritated many astronomers, who felt that the question of whether a particular body gets called a planet or not is of no scientific interest whatsoever. Still, the IAU decided that it should try and resolve the matter: planets loom large in the public imagination, and it seemed only reasonable for astronomers to be able to say whether a new discovery (or for that matter an old friend) was a planet or not.

The IAU's proposal is that the term 'planet' should apply to an object that has a sufficiently strong gravitational field to have pulled itself into a spherical shape, that is in orbit around a star, but that is not a star itself. This lets in Pluto and 2003 UB313, a TNO that is a touch bigger and not yet equipped with an IAU-approved name. It also readmits Ceres. And in the most peculiar aspect of the whole business, Charon, previously considered to be a moon of Pluto, will become a planet in its own right. Moons, however spherical, will remain satellites, not planets, in the IAU's eyes. But because the centre of mass of the Pluto–Charon system lies outside the body of Pluto, Charon, although tiny compared with, say, Neptune's moon Triton, qualifies as a planet.

Nine more TNOs, and three more asteroids, will become candidate planets, pending further investigation of how spherical they are. More planetary TNOs may follow, when discovered. To tidy things up, the minor planets will get renamed: those that don't have enough of a gravitational grip on themselves to be proper planets will now be 'small Solar System bodies'.

All this will doubtless lead to ructions. But it is at least a coherent approach, and it has a fairly clear basis in physical properties. It has been convenient to have a small and easily memorized number of planets in the Solar System, but convenience is not the only thing that counts. The effects of mass define (unofficially) the upper limits of the planetary realm; anything big enough for fusion is a star. It is fitting, then, that mass should define the lower limit too. This, we think, adds up to a case for IAU members to accept the proposal.
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- MizarKey   Experts meet to decide Pluto fate   Aug 14 2006, 06:06 AM
- - paxdan   IMHO pluto is NOT a planet.... Just thought i...   Aug 14 2006, 07:11 AM
- - akuo   I'm going to start a campaign to remove the pl...   Aug 14 2006, 08:20 AM
|- - David   QUOTE (akuo @ Aug 14 2006, 08:20 AM) I...   Aug 14 2006, 11:31 AM
|- - Ames   QUOTE (David @ Aug 14 2006, 12:31 PM) If ...   Aug 14 2006, 11:36 AM
- - djellison   You can think of all sorts of ways of branding whe...   Aug 14 2006, 11:45 AM
- - ups   "About 3,000 astronomers and scientists are m...   Aug 14 2006, 12:12 PM
- - rogelio   Concerning Pluto and the planet definition debate:...   Aug 14 2006, 01:06 PM
|- - JRehling   [...]   Aug 14 2006, 02:04 PM
- - remcook   JRehling, that's one of the most sensible argu...   Aug 14 2006, 02:46 PM
|- - David   I agree that the divisions are arbitrary, that the...   Aug 14 2006, 05:22 PM
- - volcanopele   David brought up a good point that this is more pr...   Aug 14 2006, 06:47 PM
|- - Alan Stern   [quote name='volcanopele' date='Aug 14...   Aug 15 2006, 11:43 AM
- - rogelio   Yes, as volcanopele and others have mentioned, ...   Aug 14 2006, 07:08 PM
- - DonPMitchell   An interesting point. Would NASA have been able t...   Aug 14 2006, 09:04 PM
- - SigurRosFan   In the news ... QUOTE Pluto the Ninth, Xena (2003 ...   Aug 15 2006, 11:18 AM
|- - DFinfrock   QUOTE (SigurRosFan @ Aug 15 2006, 11:18 A...   Aug 15 2006, 10:58 PM
|- - volcanopele   QUOTE (DFinfrock @ Aug 15 2006, 03:58 PM)...   Aug 16 2006, 12:09 AM
- - Greg Hullender   It's also worth mentioning that Ceres used to ...   Aug 15 2006, 01:47 PM
|- - David   QUOTE (Greg Hullender @ Aug 15 2006, 01:4...   Aug 15 2006, 04:56 PM
- - ljk4-1   According to SpaceToday.net via NPR (National Publ...   Aug 15 2006, 01:49 PM
|- - MahFL   I would like Pluto to remain a planet.   Aug 15 2006, 02:03 PM
- - ngunn   Does anyone feel like setting up a poll on this? (...   Aug 15 2006, 03:56 PM
- - volcanopele   QUOTE I must say that I disagree. As reductionists...   Aug 15 2006, 04:36 PM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (volcanopele @ Aug 15 2006, 06:36 A...   Aug 15 2006, 04:45 PM
|- - volcanopele   QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Aug 15 2006, 09:45...   Aug 15 2006, 04:56 PM
|- - David   QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Aug 15 2006, 04:45...   Aug 15 2006, 05:01 PM
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||- - Alan Stern   QUOTE (David @ Aug 15 2006, 05:58 PM) I...   Aug 15 2006, 06:23 PM
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|||- - Alan Stern   QUOTE (David @ Aug 15 2006, 06:37 PM) I r...   Aug 15 2006, 07:31 PM
|||- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (David @ Aug 15 2006, 02:37 PM) And...   Aug 15 2006, 08:13 PM
||- - vexgizmo   QUOTE (David @ Aug 16 2006, 10:14 AM) Ala...   Aug 16 2006, 05:58 PM
||- - David   QUOTE (vexgizmo @ Aug 16 2006, 05:58 PM) ...   Aug 16 2006, 06:04 PM
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|- - JRehling   [...]   Aug 16 2006, 06:16 PM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (JRehling @ Aug 16 2006, 08:16 AM) ...   Aug 16 2006, 07:25 PM
- - dvandorn   I think that the concept of "planet" has...   Aug 16 2006, 03:40 AM
- - Holder of the Two Leashes   It has been announced on the SpaceDaily website th...   Aug 16 2006, 03:45 AM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Holder of the Two Leashes @ Aug 15 200...   Aug 16 2006, 04:05 AM
|- - MichaelT   The relevant IAU press release can be found here: ...   Aug 16 2006, 09:06 AM
- - volcanopele   ? only 12? In your other post, you stated that th...   Aug 16 2006, 04:05 AM
- - dvandorn   So, is the new nursery-rhyme mnemonic for the plan...   Aug 16 2006, 04:23 AM
|- - ngunn   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Aug 16 2006, 05:23 AM) ...   Aug 16 2006, 12:44 PM
|- - Ames   QUOTE (ngunn @ Aug 16 2006, 01:44 PM) How...   Aug 16 2006, 12:53 PM
|- - ngunn   QUOTE (Ames @ Aug 16 2006, 01:53 PM) I li...   Aug 16 2006, 02:00 PM
- - nprev   Mmm...pickled spicy xylophones.... Interesting ...   Aug 16 2006, 05:11 AM
- - volcanopele   I certainly have no problem with having a lot of p...   Aug 16 2006, 05:22 AM
- - DonPMitchell   A wise choice. They have a nice physically-based ...   Aug 16 2006, 06:25 AM
- - djellison   Totally unrelated politics and political imagery r...   Aug 16 2006, 08:28 AM
- - ngunn   I wonder what happens if the mutual orbits are ecc...   Aug 16 2006, 10:31 AM
|- - ugordan   QUOTE (ngunn @ Aug 16 2006, 11:31 AM) I w...   Aug 16 2006, 10:50 AM
- - djellison   And just for good measure, an article about a back...   Aug 16 2006, 10:39 AM
|- - paxdan   QUOTE (djellison @ Aug 16 2006, 11:39 AM)...   Aug 16 2006, 11:06 AM
- - JamesFox   Personally, I have to admit that I feel rather une...   Aug 16 2006, 11:07 AM
|- - David   QUOTE (JamesFox @ Aug 16 2006, 11:07 AM) ...   Aug 16 2006, 11:15 AM
||- - JamesFox   QUOTE (David @ Aug 16 2006, 07:15 AM) 1. ...   Aug 16 2006, 11:25 AM
||- - David   QUOTE (JamesFox @ Aug 16 2006, 11:25 AM) ...   Aug 16 2006, 11:34 AM
|- - Ames   QUOTE (JamesFox @ Aug 16 2006, 12:07 PM) ...   Aug 16 2006, 11:40 AM
|- - Ames   QUOTE (Ames @ Aug 16 2006, 12:40 PM) That...   Aug 16 2006, 11:44 AM
|- - David   Does "double planet" imply a single enti...   Aug 16 2006, 11:57 AM
|- - MichaelT   QUOTE (David @ Aug 16 2006, 11:57 AM) Doe...   Aug 16 2006, 12:07 PM
|- - ugordan   QUOTE (MichaelT @ Aug 16 2006, 01:07 PM) ...   Aug 16 2006, 12:25 PM
|- - paxdan   QUOTE (ugordan @ Aug 16 2006, 01:25 PM) H...   Aug 16 2006, 12:41 PM
|- - Alan Stern   QUOTE (ugordan @ Aug 16 2006, 12:25 PM) H...   Aug 16 2006, 12:57 PM
|- - ngunn   QUOTE (Alan Stern @ Aug 16 2006, 01:57 PM...   Aug 16 2006, 01:22 PM
|- - ugordan   QUOTE (Alan Stern @ Aug 16 2006, 01:57 PM...   Aug 16 2006, 01:25 PM
|- - David   QUOTE (Alan Stern @ Aug 16 2006, 12:57 PM...   Aug 16 2006, 01:29 PM
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- - rogelio   Dateline 2015: U.S. Postal Service issues revised...   Aug 16 2006, 12:51 PM
- - maycm   My kids have a video of "Blues Clues" wh...   Aug 16 2006, 01:25 PM
- - djellison   I must admit - I was explaining all this to my eve...   Aug 16 2006, 01:37 PM
|- - David   QUOTE (djellison @ Aug 16 2006, 01:37 PM)...   Aug 16 2006, 01:49 PM
- - Tom Tamlyn   Today's New York Times has a good article on t...   Aug 16 2006, 01:44 PM
- - Greg Hullender   It does seem that it would have been useful to cre...   Aug 16 2006, 02:02 PM
- - mcaplinger   The barycenter rule is laughable, IMHO. You'd...   Aug 16 2006, 02:33 PM
|- - David   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Aug 16 2006, 02:33 PM...   Aug 16 2006, 04:25 PM
|- - JRehling   [...]   Aug 16 2006, 04:29 PM
|- - David   QUOTE (JRehling @ Aug 16 2006, 04:29 PM) ...   Aug 16 2006, 05:14 PM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (David @ Aug 16 2006, 07:14 AM) Ult...   Aug 16 2006, 05:31 PM
|- - JRehling   [...]   Aug 16 2006, 05:49 PM
|- - Alan Stern   [ > DPS PRESS RELEASE (Released 16 August 2006)...   Aug 16 2006, 05:51 PM
- - ljk4-1   A camel: A horse designed by committee.   Aug 16 2006, 02:42 PM
- - alan   They can't change Pluto's clasification wi...   Aug 16 2006, 03:04 PM
- - jsheff   Results are in: IAU   Aug 16 2006, 04:35 PM
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- - AlexBlackwell   I'm not sure if this has been mentioned, but h...   Aug 16 2006, 04:46 PM
- - vexgizmo   "A planet is a celestial body that (a) has su...   Aug 16 2006, 04:51 PM
- - hendric   The correct answer for the marginal cases is simpl...   Aug 16 2006, 05:29 PM
- - AlexBlackwell   The editorial that appears in the August 17, 2006,...   Aug 16 2006, 05:44 PM
- - Phil Stooke   As a rule of thumb for whether a non-spherical wor...   Aug 16 2006, 06:08 PM
|- - David   QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Aug 16 2006, 06:08 P...   Aug 16 2006, 07:17 PM
- - AlexBlackwell   Phil Plait has an interesting take on it.   Aug 16 2006, 06:17 PM
- - volcanopele   now that I have heard the rational for the double ...   Aug 16 2006, 07:47 PM
|- - JRehling   [...]   Aug 16 2006, 07:58 PM
|- - David   QUOTE (JRehling @ Aug 16 2006, 07:58 PM) ...   Aug 16 2006, 08:08 PM
- - Jyril   The barycenter criterion may become handy in the c...   Aug 16 2006, 08:13 PM
- - jsheff   I don't have a problem with roundness as a cri...   Aug 16 2006, 08:13 PM
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