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Size Comparism Of The Moons Of The Gas Planets, Moon Systems of the gas giants compared
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post Nov 17 2005, 05:03 PM
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Hey, now, let's all play nice while Doug is away.

I, too was once very irritated by copyrights being splashed all over space images, which do all come from publicly supported missions. And I still think it's a bit much to claim copyright for doing something as simple as, say, adjusting the contrast in an image. But it's also true that some of the processing that is done to make these pictures is a tremendous amount of work, for which the worker should get credit. Furthermore, a lot of the processing work done by the so-called "amateur" community crosses the line into art. By calling it "art" I'm implying both positive and negative connotations -- the positive is that the images they create are truly beautiful; the negative is that they have to make up or fudge some information in the image to edit out blemishes, noise, seams, etc. Most scientists would never do that, and you'll rarely see images released by official agencies that have been fudged in that way. By indicating who gets the credit for the image you also inform whoever is looking at the picture how literally "true" the image is, and acknowledge the work of the artist.

Really, though, I'm not interested in the legalistic stuff; for me this debate comes down to being polite. It is polite and kind to ask permission from someone before taking an image from his or her website. For the most part, you will find these people to be delighted that you are interested in the work that they spent many hours producing. All they ask in return is that you give them credit for their work. In effect, this permission has already been asked for, and granted, from NASA/JPL; they have given a blanket permission to all who use their images -- themselves the product of an incredible amount of work on the part of hundreds of scientists, engineers, and IT people -- for educational purposes for the reuse of their images -- and they should be credited! I've already asked permission from Ted Stryk and Mattias Malmer and Doug Ellison and Olivier de Goursac to use the images that they've worked on on my website, and they have given their permission enthusiastically. What's the harm in asking permission? In the end, it's a way of opening a friendly dialogue among all of us who, after all, share interests in gazing at the beautiful images returned from our robot explorers. Many of you might find this asking of permission to be a great way to make contact with the scientists who produce the official images too. It's a very polite way to open a dialogue, and I'll bet you'd find that you'd either get a pleased response or be ignored, that you'd probably never be denied permission.

Which reminds me...at the risk of being hopelessly sentimental, rolleyes.gif I'd like to advocate that those robot explorers be acknowledged in image credits too, where space allows of course. They gave their 'lives' to us to return these images.

--Emily


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- spaceffm   Size Comparism Of The Moons Of The Gas Planets   Nov 15 2005, 12:10 AM
- - David   Nice. I see you squeezed Mars, Pluto and Charon i...   Nov 15 2005, 12:23 AM
- - Decepticon   Excellent work! I've been wanted images l...   Nov 15 2005, 08:23 PM
- - deglr6328   Ohhhh nice! Would you consider releasing...   Nov 15 2005, 08:30 PM
|- - tedstryk   Well, considering several of these images are from...   Nov 15 2005, 11:00 PM
- - deglr6328   Tayfun Oner? Ugh, copyrighting these probe images ...   Nov 15 2005, 11:31 PM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (deglr6328 @ Nov 15 2005, 11:31 PM)Tayf...   Nov 15 2005, 11:40 PM
- - tasp   If this post is deemed not on topic for the thread...   Nov 16 2005, 02:31 AM
- - Decepticon   RE: Size Comparism Of The Moons Of The Gas Planets   Nov 17 2005, 01:13 PM
- - Toma B   QUOTE (tedstryk @ Nov 17 2005, 01:40 PM)Let m...   Nov 17 2005, 01:27 PM
|- - dvandorn   Yeah -- insisting you're in the clear because ...   Nov 17 2005, 02:23 PM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (Toma B @ Nov 17 2005, 01:27 PM)Just a ...   Nov 17 2005, 04:32 PM
- - mike   It seems odd to me too to copyright something as s...   Nov 17 2005, 04:07 PM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (mike @ Nov 17 2005, 04:07 PM)It seems ...   Nov 17 2005, 04:33 PM
- - dvandorn   A copyright recognizes any significant value added...   Nov 17 2005, 04:52 PM
|- - tedstryk   I was referring to the image processing - coloring...   Nov 17 2005, 05:16 PM
- - elakdawalla   Hey, now, let's all play nice while Doug is aw...   Nov 17 2005, 05:03 PM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Nov 17 2005, 05:03 PM)I...   Nov 17 2005, 05:31 PM
|- - lyford   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Nov 17 2005, 09:03 AM)Wh...   Nov 17 2005, 10:35 PM
- - Toma B   QUOTE (tedstryk @ Nov 17 2005, 07:32 PM)I am ...   Nov 17 2005, 05:33 PM
- - dvandorn   And believe me, I was simply proposing a what-if a...   Nov 17 2005, 06:23 PM
- - deglr6328   Oh goodness, now look what I've gone and done ...   Nov 17 2005, 08:44 PM
- - Bill Harris   Great discussion on copyright and intellectual pro...   Nov 17 2005, 09:01 PM
- - Phil Stooke   Maybe we could recover this thread by actually mak...   Nov 17 2005, 10:13 PM
|- - elakdawalla   QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Nov 17 2005, 03:13 PM)Ma...   Nov 18 2005, 12:25 AM
- - Bill Harris   QUOTE A whole series is needed, really... I...   Nov 17 2005, 10:34 PM
|- - lyford   QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Nov 17 2005, 02:34 PM)I...   Nov 17 2005, 10:43 PM
|- - JRehling   Here is a scale diagram of the satellite orbital d...   Nov 19 2005, 09:52 AM
|- - Bob Shaw   Solor Sytsem? Ooops! Bob Shaw   Nov 19 2005, 01:13 PM
|- - David   QUOTE (JRehling @ Nov 19 2005, 09:52 AM)Here ...   Nov 19 2005, 04:12 PM
|- - tedstryk   I have been searching and haven't found much i...   Nov 29 2005, 06:44 PM
- - Phillip   These are wonderful posts! Here is a link to ...   Nov 18 2005, 01:56 AM
|- - elakdawalla   QUOTE (Phillip @ Nov 17 2005, 06:56 PM)Sorry ...   Nov 18 2005, 02:10 AM
|- - tedstryk   Great work! Both to Emily and spaceffm.   Nov 18 2005, 03:22 AM
- - dvandorn   First off, thanks to Phillip for his insightful re...   Nov 18 2005, 06:51 AM
|- - helvick   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Nov 18 2005, 07:51 AM)You c...   Nov 18 2005, 07:35 AM
- - lyford   OMG??!@?# These images are so incredibly bea...   Nov 18 2005, 08:11 AM
- - Bill Harris   I always had a mental image of the Galilean satell...   Nov 18 2005, 08:38 AM
|- - David   QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Nov 18 2005, 08:38 AM)I ...   Nov 18 2005, 10:09 AM
|- - elakdawalla   QUOTE (David @ Nov 18 2005, 03:09 AM)Well, th...   Nov 18 2005, 03:47 PM
|- - jski423   Here have some fun with these. Since the only pu...   Nov 18 2005, 06:36 PM
- - Toma B   QUOTE (jski423 @ Nov 18 2005, 09:36 PM)Since ...   Nov 18 2005, 07:09 PM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (Toma B @ Nov 18 2005, 07:09 PM)OK...   Nov 18 2005, 08:42 PM
||- - elakdawalla   QUOTE (tedstryk @ Nov 18 2005, 01:42 PM)I kno...   Nov 18 2005, 09:18 PM
||- - RNeuhaus   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Nov 18 2005, 04:18 PM)I ...   Nov 18 2005, 09:40 PM
|- - jski423   QUOTE (Toma B @ Nov 18 2005, 08:09 PM)OK...   Nov 18 2005, 10:39 PM
- - mike   I'd like to give thanks to everyone who has pu...   Nov 18 2005, 08:14 PM
- - Patteroast   Wow, that little orbit comparison reminded me of s...   Nov 29 2005, 08:17 PM
- - Gsnorgathon   Say - not to drag things off topic here - and it...   Nov 30 2005, 12:23 AM
- - JRehling   QUOTE (Gsnorgathon @ Nov 29 2005, 04:23 PM)Sa...   Nov 30 2005, 01:00 AM
- - Gsnorgathon   QUOTE (JRehling @ Nov 30 2005, 01:00 AM)FWIW,...   Nov 30 2005, 01:38 AM


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