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| Guest_AlexBlackwell_* |
 Oct 4 2006, 04:40 PM
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Maybe this is one reason why the VEx team has been quiet as of late: Venus Express - No. 46 - Safe Mode Recovery.
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| Guest_AlexBlackwell_* |
Oct 4 2006, 05:07 PM
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Doug's latest glog entry has a familiar title.
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Oct 4 2006, 07:04 PM
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Oct 4 2006, 07:08 PM
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QUOTE (DonPMitchell @ Sep 24 2006, 01:19 PM)  I propose that NASA send a new probe to be named Venus-Express Express. It's mission is to go to Venus and check on what Venus Express is doing, and see if it is even still there. This is starting to sound very otherforum arguments... ESA is working and giving information as it is possible!  There are weekly reports if someone cares to search for them... -------------------- "Ride, boldly ride," The shade replied, "If you seek for Eldorado!"
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Oct 4 2006, 08:27 PM
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Ustrax - when was the last image from VEX? When did we have an insight into what the scientists are doing. When did I see the results of my tax money? I understand the right of PI's to enjoy their data for a period of 6 months....but that DOES NOT give them the right to fundamentally shun their responsibility to keep the public informed and educated about what they are doing. There is no excuse. ESA is, again, falling its paying public.
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Oct 4 2006, 09:57 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 249 Joined: 11-June 05 From: Finland (62°14′N 25°44′E) Member No.: 408 |
<annoyed sarcasm>What!? Do we have a probe around Venus?</annoyed sarcasm>
-------------------- The universe is not only stranger than we imagine, it is stranger than we can imagine.
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Oct 5 2006, 04:11 PM
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Special Cookie Group: Members Posts: 2168 Joined: 6-April 05 From: Sintra | Portugal Member No.: 228 |
QUOTE (djellison @ Oct 4 2006, 09:27 PM) Ustrax - when was the last image from VEX? When did we have an insight into what the scientists are doing. When did I see the results of my tax money? I understand the right of PI's to enjoy their data for a period of 6 months....but that DOES NOT give them the right to fundamentally shun their responsibility to keep the public informed and educated about what they are doing. There is no excuse. ESA is, again, falling its paying public. Doug Doug, you seem a little bit excited, it must be from the Mediterranean breeze...  "How much does each European spend on ESA? European per capita investment in space is very little. On average, every citizen of an ESA Member State pays, in taxes for expenditure on space, about the same as the price of a cinema ticket. In the United States, investment in civilian space activities is almost four times as much." Are we, Europeans, willing to pay more? Or will privates continue to dictate the knowledge flow?... The debate date from back to ESA's foundation... -------------------- "Ride, boldly ride," The shade replied, "If you seek for Eldorado!"
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Oct 5 2006, 04:16 PM
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The NASA argument doesn't stand up. They have four times as much money and do four times as many projects.
Consider Mars Odyssey. Daily image releases. Aqua and Terra....gigabytes of raw data every single day. I could go on citing examples, but it is not needed. I don't know anyone who thinks that ESA does a good enough job of explaining itself to the public and publicising it's achievments and ongoing activities. It started with Giotto and it's been crap ever since. To not have a single image from VEX in more than three months is not even funny - it's pathetic. Utterly utterly pathetic. Doug |
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| Guest_DonPMitchell_* |
Oct 5 2006, 06:08 PM
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I've also noticed that the ESA spends money and time on things like computer-graphics animations (link). It has to be a lot cheaper to stick data into some folders and put it online.
I am not against intellectual property rights, not jumping on the everything-should-be-free bandwagon. But when stuff is publically funded, then it is public domain. |
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Oct 5 2006, 07:24 PM
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Special Cookie Group: Members Posts: 2168 Joined: 6-April 05 From: Sintra | Portugal Member No.: 228 |
QUOTE (djellison @ Oct 5 2006, 05:16 PM) Utterly utterly pathetic. Doug I truly hope you don't regret those words in an upcoming future... Talking is easy when you deal with a space program that has 50 years behind... ESA is a baby and it's parents work is to protect her untill she can walk on it's own. In Europe there is a legal figure known as referendum... Free criticism is nice a construtive one is even better... Don...The "thing" is publically funded in a comic percentage...And we, the majority of less informed Europeans deal with very well...Maybe confrontation is needed... Who knows? Maybe if Russia becames an ESA's full member things might change a BIT?... -------------------- "Ride, boldly ride," The shade replied, "If you seek for Eldorado!"
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Oct 5 2006, 07:33 PM
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come to think of it...I think European universities don't nearly make as many press releases as american ones, even if they have similarly spectacular results. It does seem like a culture thing, which the Europeans probably should change.
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Oct 5 2006, 07:43 PM
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Special Cookie Group: Members Posts: 2168 Joined: 6-April 05 From: Sintra | Portugal Member No.: 228 |
QUOTE (remcook @ Oct 5 2006, 08:33 PM) which the Europeans probably should change. Maybe a wrong policy maybe a survival's one...Who knows?... Maybe it depends on Europeans citizens to change that...Who knows?... -------------------- "Ride, boldly ride," The shade replied, "If you seek for Eldorado!"
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Oct 5 2006, 08:14 PM
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QUOTE (ustrax @ Oct 5 2006, 07:43 PM) Maybe a wrong policy maybe a survival's one...Who knows?... Maybe it depends on Europeans citizens to change that...Who knows?... What VEX is missing is the releases, such as on NASA's photojournal, that are simply so the public can follow the mission. Usually, they are processed or jpeged images, so they can't be used scientifically and allow others to upstage the instrument team, but they still allow people to "know what is going on" with the mission. This is not a hard concept that takes years to grasp. -------------------- |
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Oct 5 2006, 08:36 PM
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Special Cookie Group: Members Posts: 2168 Joined: 6-April 05 From: Sintra | Portugal Member No.: 228 |
QUOTE (tedstryk @ Oct 5 2006, 09:14 PM) This is not a hard concept that takes years to grasp. Maybe like...30 years?... Europe will take less than that...  EDITED: In some years an organization like ESA managed a site like this...This leaves me, as usually, optimistic with the future... -------------------- "Ride, boldly ride," The shade replied, "If you seek for Eldorado!"
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| Guest_DonPMitchell_* |
Oct 5 2006, 10:28 PM
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There is an official ESA equivalent to PDS, the Planetary Science Archive. You can judge for yourselves. Personally, I am reminded of the Monty Python "Cheese Shop" stetch.
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