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post Apr 19 2011, 08:26 PM
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Pluto's Expanding Atmosphere Confounds Researchers

http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2011...onf.html?ref=hp

Could these be evidence of geyers like on Triton?
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post Apr 20 2011, 01:32 PM
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Pluto's atmosphere is (almost certainly) hydrodynamically escaping. Basically, the solar wind blows the atmosphere off the planet. So, that leads to a very large height for the exobase of the atmosphere (several Pluto radii potentially). That coupled with the seasonal cycle when the atmosphere is thicker anyway, and you get a very extended, low density atmosphere.
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post Apr 21 2011, 12:39 AM
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QUOTE (Drkskywxlt @ Apr 20 2011, 06:32 AM) *
Pluto's atmosphere is (almost certainly) hydrodynamically escaping.


If gas escape is occurring, would the region of greatest gas escape tend to concentrate around the anti-Charon point?

With such a huge scale height to the atmosphere, centripetal acceleration (due to Pluto's motion around the system's barycentre) might be just enough to give gas molecules the heave-ho on the anti-Charon side.
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post Apr 21 2011, 12:47 PM
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QUOTE (Rob Pinnegar @ Apr 20 2011, 08:39 PM) *
would the region of greatest gas escape tend to concentrate around the anti-Charon point?

Hmmm...not sure the answer to that. Charon is about 12 Pluto radii away. All of the literature that I've seen regarding models/simulations of hydrodynamic escape of Pluto's atmosphere have ignored contributions from Charon's gravity. Remember the r^2 law...even if gas is escaping at several Pluto radii above the surface, the gravitational influence from Pluto is still going to be dramatically larger than that of Charon.

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With such a huge scale height to the atmosphere, centripetal acceleration (due to Pluto's motion around the system's barycentre) might be just enough to give gas molecules the heave-ho on the anti-Charon side.

Again I haven't seen any discussion of this in the literature. Pluto's rotation rate is quite slow so I don't think this would add appreciable energy. The energy that really drives this process is heating by solar EUV and UV. That's a much bigger energy source than centripetal acceleration.
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post Apr 22 2011, 03:39 AM
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QUOTE (Drkskywxlt @ Apr 21 2011, 05:47 AM) *
Again I haven't seen any discussion of this in the literature. Pluto's rotation rate is quite slow so I don't think this would add appreciable energy. The energy that really drives this process is heating by solar EUV and UV. That's a much bigger energy source than centripetal acceleration.


That's probably true. I just did a back-of-the-envelope calculation to that effect (literally... it actually *was* on the back of an envelope).

Pluto's orbital speed around the system barycentre turns out to be only about 23 metres per second (a bit slower than normal highway driving speed). The centripetal acceleration from that amounts to around 2-3 cm/s^2. This is quite a bit less than Pluto's surface gravity, which is about 66 cm/s^2.

Of course, at really high altitudes the gravity would be a bit lower. Also, I've based my centripetal-acceleration calculation on the distance from the system barycentre to Pluto's centre... so that effect would be a tiny bit larger as well at high altitudes. But either way, we're talking a difference of a few percent.

I don't know enough about this topic to say whether a difference of a few percent would translate into a measurable difference in gas escape.
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- bagelverse   Pluto's Expanding Atmosphere Confounds Researchers   Apr 19 2011, 08:26 PM
- - tasp   Interesting. A tenuous atmosphere extending almos...   Apr 19 2011, 11:53 PM
|- - Greg Hullender   QUOTE (tasp @ Apr 19 2011, 04:53 PM) Just...   Apr 21 2011, 04:40 AM
|- - Den   QUOTE (tasp @ Apr 20 2011, 12:53 AM) A te...   Apr 21 2011, 10:08 AM
- - Paolo   see also the paper Discovery of carbon monoxide in...   Apr 20 2011, 05:12 AM
- - brellis   This is fascinating stuff! The Pluto system is...   Apr 20 2011, 10:41 AM
|- - Floyd   QUOTE (brellis @ Apr 20 2011, 05:41 AM) W...   Apr 20 2011, 11:30 PM
- - machi   This idea is theoretically possible (you must ...   Apr 20 2011, 12:39 PM
- - Drkskywxlt   Pluto's atmosphere is (almost certainly) hydro...   Apr 20 2011, 01:32 PM
|- - Rob Pinnegar   QUOTE (Drkskywxlt @ Apr 20 2011, 06:32 AM...   Apr 21 2011, 12:39 AM
||- - Drkskywxlt   QUOTE (Rob Pinnegar @ Apr 20 2011, 08:39 ...   Apr 21 2011, 12:47 PM
||- - Rob Pinnegar   QUOTE (Drkskywxlt @ Apr 21 2011, 05:47 AM...   Apr 22 2011, 03:39 AM
|- - AndyG   QUOTE (Drkskywxlt @ Apr 20 2011, 02:32 PM...   Apr 21 2011, 10:03 AM
|- - Drkskywxlt   QUOTE (AndyG @ Apr 21 2011, 06:03 AM) And...   Apr 21 2011, 12:35 PM
- - nprev   That sort of begs the question of whether Pluto ha...   Apr 21 2011, 12:45 AM
- - Paolo   may someone with some time to spare and Pluto and ...   Apr 21 2011, 10:18 AM
|- - AndyG   I get L1 for Pluto lying around 5050km from the ce...   Apr 21 2011, 11:30 AM
|- - Paolo   QUOTE (AndyG @ Apr 21 2011, 01:30 PM) I g...   Apr 21 2011, 05:24 PM
|- - Greg Hullender   QUOTE (AndyG @ Apr 21 2011, 04:30 AM) I g...   Apr 22 2011, 04:57 AM
|- - Paolo   QUOTE (Greg Hullender @ Apr 22 2011, 06:5...   Apr 22 2011, 05:19 AM
||- - Alan Stern   QUOTE (Paolo @ Apr 22 2011, 06:19 AM) tha...   Apr 22 2011, 12:49 PM
|- - AndyG   QUOTE (Greg Hullender @ Apr 22 2011, 05:5...   Apr 22 2011, 09:36 PM
- - brellis   I'm confused. Does the L1 point of the Pluto s...   Apr 21 2011, 10:41 PM
- - nprev   Yes, it does; just like the Earth-Moon Lagrange po...   Apr 21 2011, 11:15 PM
- - Paolo   thanks Alan. I know I will spend a large part of t...   Apr 22 2011, 06:42 PM
- - Greg Hullender   So Andy and I worked through this offline, and we ...   Apr 29 2011, 02:57 AM
|- - AndyG   Never too keen on terms to the fifth power, and al...   May 1 2011, 07:01 PM
- - Greg Hullender   Grin. Terms in the denominator are just as bad as ...   May 2 2011, 01:39 AM
- - tasp   My thanks to the folks who can do the math. I am ...   May 3 2011, 07:05 PM
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