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Nov 27 2011, 02:52 PM
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#616
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Interplanetary Dumpster Diver Group: Admin Posts: 4404 Joined: 17-February 04 From: Powell, TN Member No.: 33 |
Just noticed on Twitter that it has apparently begun to decay.
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Nov 28 2011, 09:43 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1729 Joined: 3-August 06 From: 43° 35' 53" N 1° 26' 35" E Member No.: 1004 |
according to the French newspaper "Le Monde", if contacts are re-established with F-G, it could be put in a high parking orbit between the Earth and the Moon, where it would wait for the 2013 window to open while engineers complete debugging its software.
http://www.lemonde.fr/planete/article/2011...09001_3244.html (in French, evidemment...) this is the most sensitive proposal so far. I imagine F-G could be sent to fly by the moon like that old comm sat Asiasat 3 or Nozomi and be perturbed in a distant resonant orbit or even a solar orbit returning to fly by the moon and Earth in late 2013 and resume the original mission as planned. I guess this could be done with the available fuel. The only problem I see (beside the non-trivial need to re-establish full control over the probe) is that Russian hardware is not known for its reliability and 2 more years in space may be too much. I hope that orbital mechanics gurus like Farquhar and Bellbruno will be working on this |
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Nov 28 2011, 08:34 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 507 Joined: 10-September 08 Member No.: 4338 |
http://www.russianspaceweb.com/phobos_grun...unch.html#11_28
An attempt will be made to raise the orbit of the spacecraft. |
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Nov 29 2011, 09:39 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 507 Joined: 10-September 08 Member No.: 4338 |
http://www.space.com/13761-russian-spacecr...t-esa-call.html
The attempt last night to raise the orbit was unsuccessful. Another try tonight. [Edit: At http://www.satflare.com/track.php?q=phobos#MAP I observed a maximum altitude of 322.5 in the RealTime tracking screen. That seems to be a little higher than the apogee that is listed for earlier orbits (about 308). There also seems to be a discontinuity in the orbital plot. Not sure what this means, if anything.] [Edit: I have also observed a minimum altitude of 212.2, which is also a little higher than the listed perigee of about 209.5] |
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Nov 29 2011, 09:48 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2492 Joined: 15-January 05 From: center Italy Member No.: 150 |
Source isn't very reliable, but is worth to read (eventually, for a good laugh!):
http://www.eutimes.net/2011/11/%C2%ADdid-u...-russian-probe/ in particular, note the rumors about the fact that "the signal was scrambled beyond recovery due to lack of compatibility between Russian and European communications equipment" and especially that "a retired Russian general believes that the glitch which prevented Phobos-Grunt from carrying out its space mission was caused by American radar sites in Alaska"! -------------------- I always think before posting! - Marco -
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Nov 29 2011, 10:19 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 19 Joined: 17-April 05 From: Zagreb, Croatia Member No.: 240 |
Telescopic imaging of FG!
http://freeimagehosting.nl/pics/f26360f415...530c943f447.jpg http://twitter.com/#!/ralfvandebergh |
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Nov 30 2011, 06:20 AM
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Junior Member Group: Members Posts: 21 Joined: 15-December 08 Member No.: 4509 |
That's great, thanks for the link!
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Dec 2 2011, 05:04 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 753 Joined: 23-October 04 From: Greensboro, NC USA Member No.: 103 |
BBC News is reporting that ESA has abandoned further attempts to contact Phobos-Grunt.
-------------------- Jonathan Ward
Manning the LCC at http://www.apollolaunchcontrol.com |
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Dec 2 2011, 08:49 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 507 Joined: 10-September 08 Member No.: 4338 |
... ESA has abandoned further attempts to contact Phobos-Grunt. According to http://www.satflare.com/track.php?q=phobos#MAP QUOTE For the first time since the launch, thanks to the orbit precession, the spacecraft's solar panels will be constantly exposed to sun (100%) over 2 days from December 13 (about 12 UTC) to December 14 (about 23 UTC)." It would be nice if ESA made some further attempts at that time. [Edit: Rentry is currently projected to be around mid-January] |
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Dec 2 2011, 08:59 PM
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Junior Member Group: Members Posts: 83 Joined: 19-April 05 Member No.: 251 |
How's the orbit holding up? Last I heard it was going to be reentering before mid-December.
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Dec 2 2011, 10:22 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2492 Joined: 15-January 05 From: center Italy Member No.: 150 |
ddeerrff, based on this site, re-entry is now forecasted on Jan, 11+8
Edit: changed re-entry date based on last data in the plot -------------------- I always think before posting! - Marco -
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Dec 3 2011, 09:55 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 19 Joined: 17-April 05 From: Zagreb, Croatia Member No.: 240 |
It would be nice if ESA made some further attempts at that time. [Edit: Rentry is currently projected to be around mid-January] They concluded from the telescopic images that FG is not holding it's attitude toward the Sun any more, so it could be the reason ESA ended the support. http://www.ria.ru/science/20111130/502776332.html |
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Dec 8 2011, 08:21 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 311 Joined: 31-August 05 From: Florida & Texas, USA Member No.: 482 |
"Following a request from Russian mission authorities, ESA is continuing its efforts to communicate with Phobos Grunt via the Agency's 15 m-diameter Maspalomas tracking station located in Spain. Communication attempts on Monday, Tuesday and today, which made use of a redundant transmitter on board the spacecraft, did not succeed. The Agency has agreed to continue the effort until Friday, 9 December."
http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Operations/SEM3T55XPVG_0.html |
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Dec 12 2011, 04:25 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 753 Joined: 23-October 04 From: Greensboro, NC USA Member No.: 103 |
The Washington Post is reporting that Russia has given up on Phobos-Grunt. News is emerging about cables being re-routed and soldered onto the vehicle while it was loaded with propellant, and the team still realizing that the Flight Control Software had major flaws just prior to launch.
There are a few factual inconsistencies (dates not matching up with events, and inexplicably a photo of the MSL launch with the article), but the overall picture is of a heroic effort to try to fix too many flaws too late in the gme. -------------------- Jonathan Ward
Manning the LCC at http://www.apollolaunchcontrol.com |
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Dec 12 2011, 05:29 AM
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Senior Member Group: Admin Posts: 4763 Joined: 15-March 05 From: Glendale, AZ Member No.: 197 |
cables being re-routed and soldered onto the vehicle while it was loaded with propellant, Here's one of the technicians taking a break during the procedure. -------------------- If Occam had heard my theory, things would be very different now.
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