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Jun 1 2005, 10:10 PM
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http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2005/jun/H...rontiers_2.html
Yeah, I know it ain't Saturn, but we don't seem to have any proper slot for Jovian news -- including yesterday's totally unexpected announcement that Amalthea's density is so low as to suggest that it's a highly porous ice object; maybe a captured Kuiper Belt Object reduced to rubble by infalling meteoroids. As Jason Perry says, this might explain those previously mysterious light-colored patches on Amalthea -- they may be its underlying ice, exposed by impacts that punched through the layer of sulfur spray-painted onto it by Io. Scott Bolton has been pretty talkative to me already about the design of Juno. It certainly won't be as good in the PR department as Galileo or Cassini, but it DOES carry a camera -- as much for PR as for Jovian cloud science, according to Bolton. And since the latitude of periapsis of its highly elliptical orbit will change radically during the primary mission, I wonder if they might be able to set up at least one close photographic flyby of Io and/or Amalthea? (I believe, by the way, that this selection is a bit ahead of schedule -- and it certainly indicates that NASA's science program under Griffin won't be a complete slave to Bush's Moon-Mars initiative.) |
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Jun 20 2005, 02:55 AM
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(1) "Imagine the way Halley's Comet's orbit intersects the Earth's (assuming the two orbits were nearly coplanar). They intersect in two places. On some passes, a close encounter will happen at one intersection, on some, at the other. On many, no encounter at all. Of course, there's no design behind the natural case. Clever choice of orbital period could allow close encounters to occur at both locations, on different orbits."
Ah, I see -- you're assuming that most of the Observer's orbit would be OUTSIDE Io's orbit, whereas I was assuming that it would be in a polar orbit INSIDE Io's orbit (like Juno) and intercept Io only at each of its apoapses. Put it in a polar orbit mostly outside Io's orbital distance -- and put its periapse at one of Jupiter's poles, so that it can intercept Io either while going inward or coming back out -- and you can indeed have it intercept Io's orbit at two different spots. I need to talk with Spencer and Smythe as to whether this is the sort of orbit they might have in mind for the Observer. (I lack a good visual imagination when it comes to orbits -- or, indeed, anything else.) By the way, one fact I forgot to mention: in response to Van Kane's other question, Galileo only ventured slightly inside Io's orbit during each of its Io flyby orbits. (2) "If Io were only to be observed from afar, then a perijove near Ganymede would suffice to save a whole lot of delta-v." True -- but any orbiter can do that (Europa Orbiter will regularly do it from as close as Europa's orbit). The central goal of Io Observer will be to take repeated close-up looks at Io -- so the problem, once again, is whether there's any practical way to combine its mission with that of the Ganymede-Callisto Observer (hereafter called, by me, the GC Observer). (3) "Interesting, and Saturn would probably serve much the same scientific purposes, if the two giants ended up with similar ratios of raw material." This is going back a ways; but, given the difficulty of a Jupiter entry, back in the early 1970s serious consideration was given to making Saturn, rather than Jupiter, the target of the first giant-planet entry probe. (Who knows? We might have ended up sending Galileo to Saturn instead, and then ended up bitching even more about the consequences of its high-gain antenna failure.) |
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BruceMoomaw Nasa Picks "juno" As Next New Frontiers Mission Jun 1 2005, 10:10 PM
tedstryk Great to hear. With the whole lunar program being... Jun 1 2005, 10:44 PM
djellison I take it this puts to bed the possibility of an N... Jun 1 2005, 10:45 PM
Sunspot Any proposals on what kind of camera? Jun 1 2005, 11:39 PM
BruceMoomaw No website yet, and I have no details on what kind... Jun 1 2005, 11:51 PM
BruceMoomaw Postscript: the mission selection actually was pla... Jun 1 2005, 11:51 PM
Sunspot They can't return to Jupiter without taking a ... Jun 1 2005, 11:57 PM
edstrick Atmosphere sounding instruments can also return ve... Jun 2 2005, 06:49 AM
BruceMoomaw Well, I can give you the full instrument list (alt... Jun 2 2005, 10:37 AM
garybeau I would have thought / hoped the next Jovian missi... Jun 2 2005, 12:39 PM
tty QUOTE (garybeau @ Jun 2 2005, 02:39 PM)I woul... Jun 2 2005, 04:40 PM
volcanopele QUOTE (garybeau @ Jun 2 2005, 05:39 AM)I woul... Jun 2 2005, 05:51 PM
JRehling QUOTE (garybeau @ Jun 2 2005, 05:39 AM)I woul... Jun 6 2005, 03:26 PM
tedstryk I think the six-flybys analogy is a good one (seve... Jun 6 2005, 05:02 PM
Bjorn Jonsson I vaguely remember reading somewhere that Juno wil... Jun 6 2005, 05:26 PM
Chmee Hopefully Juno wont have an umbrella style high ga... Jun 2 2005, 03:03 PM
BruceMoomaw Well, the Decadal Survey recommended -- and the ne... Jun 3 2005, 01:17 AM
Gsnorgathon QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Jun 3 2005, 01:17 AM)...... Jun 3 2005, 02:16 AM
Redstone QUOTE (Gsnorgathon @ Jun 3 2005, 02:16 AM)Are... Jun 3 2005, 02:32 PM
Gsnorgathon QUOTE (Redstone @ Jun 3 2005, 02:32 PM)...
if... Jun 3 2005, 09:58 PM
garybeau QUOTE The Jupiter icy moons' orbiter mission w... Jun 4 2005, 12:18 PM
tedstryk I don't think getting to Europa is the biggest... Jun 4 2005, 12:27 PM
BruceMoomaw Jason is likely to be disappointed if he thinks of... Jun 3 2005, 01:21 AM
volcanopele I never thought it would actually flyby Io, given ... Jun 3 2005, 01:35 AM
um3k QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Jun 2 2005, 09:21 PM)it ... Jun 4 2005, 02:38 AM
BruceMoomaw BESIDES all that, there was one other major proble... Jun 3 2005, 10:57 PM
edstrick The Juno instrument selection looks quite "re... Jun 4 2005, 09:04 AM
edstrick Most of the P.R. talk on crashing Galileo into Jup... Jun 5 2005, 01:56 AM
Decepticon QUOTE ALL THESE WORLDS ARE YOURS EXCEPT EUROPA ATT... Jun 5 2005, 03:29 AM
BruceMoomaw
I don't think the crashing of Galileo to ... Jun 5 2005, 06:23 AM
dvandorn The other real difference between potential Martia... Jun 5 2005, 09:30 AM
garybeau QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Jun 5 2005, 01:23 AM)Tha... Jun 6 2005, 12:55 AM
JRehling Three miscellaneous comments for this thread, from... Jun 6 2005, 01:30 AM
BruceMoomaw QUOTE (edstrick @ Jun 5 2005, 01:56 AM)Most o... Jun 5 2005, 06:32 AM
BruceMoomaw While the new Solar System Roadmap (or, rather its... Jun 5 2005, 06:53 AM
tedstryk QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Jun 5 2005, 06:53 AM)But... Jun 5 2005, 10:35 AM
Stephen QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Jun 5 2005, 06:53 AM)But... Jun 8 2005, 09:52 AM
BruceMoomaw QUOTE (edstrick @ Jun 4 2005, 09:04 AM)The Ju... Jun 5 2005, 07:09 AM
tedstryk QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Jun 5 2005, 07:09 AM)... Jun 5 2005, 10:32 AM
Redstone QUOTE (garybeau @ Jun 4 2005, 12:18 PM)The or... Jun 6 2005, 02:17 AM
Bob Shaw Some comments on life on Mars (and elsewhere) and ... Jun 6 2005, 01:58 PM
BruceMoomaw Yeah, it will be -- which will certainly interfere... Jun 6 2005, 07:27 PM
Myran dvandorn wrote:
"I think the most boring thi... Jun 8 2005, 12:12 PM
JRehling QUOTE (Myran @ Jun 8 2005, 05:12 AM)As for sa... Jun 8 2005, 04:47 PM
Decepticon They are sending a Probe to Jupiter and according ... Jun 10 2005, 02:03 AM
JRehling QUOTE (Decepticon @ Jun 9 2005, 07:03 PM)They... Jun 10 2005, 04:30 PM
tedstryk Another factor to consider is that a decent Europa... Jun 10 2005, 04:55 PM
Gsnorgathon FWIW, a wee writeup at Astrobio.net, and the ever-... Jun 10 2005, 05:30 AM
edstrick Part of the problem is that *any* Europa orbiter m... Jun 11 2005, 12:16 AM
Decepticon Even with Galileo type flybys would make me happy.... Jun 11 2005, 02:37 AM
Phil Stooke Ted, I missed your Amalthea images until just now ... Jun 11 2005, 03:21 AM
tedstryk QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Jun 11 2005, 03:21 AM)Te... Jun 11 2005, 03:30 AM
BruceMoomaw Juno's orbit will go from only 4500 km above J... Jun 11 2005, 09:04 PM
MiniTES QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Jun 11 2005, 09:04 PM)Ju... Jun 15 2005, 02:51 PM
Phil Stooke Spinning doesn't have to mean Pioneer 10-class... Jun 15 2005, 03:28 PM
Decepticon Can Juno at least take Movie like animations of th... Jun 15 2005, 08:17 PM
BruceMoomaw According to the Space.com article, it will indeed... Jun 15 2005, 10:17 PM
BruceMoomaw "...rathern using a filter wheel" is rea... Jun 15 2005, 10:19 PM
Sunspot Oh... thats a shame, I guess we probably wont ever... Jun 15 2005, 10:46 PM
Phil Stooke Actually we will see some good stuff in 2007 from ... Jun 15 2005, 11:26 PM
edstrick Why is it spinning?
Field and Particles instrument... Jun 15 2005, 11:27 PM
BruceMoomaw Fear not! We WILL see excellent images of Jup... Jun 16 2005, 02:26 AM
BruceMoomaw Footnote: the reason that the radiation dose for a... Jun 16 2005, 02:38 AM
MiniTES QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Jun 16 2005, 02:38 AM)Fo... Jun 16 2005, 05:20 PM
djellison QUOTE (MiniTES @ Jun 16 2005, 05:20 PM)How th... Jun 16 2005, 06:25 PM
edstrick And.... It's moving perpendicular to the belts... Jun 16 2005, 05:43 AM
BruceMoomaw It would be more accurate to say that they intend ... Jun 16 2005, 07:44 AM
Analyst Bruce, I want your optimism when it comes to futur... Jun 16 2005, 12:34 PM
JRehling QUOTE (Analyst @ Jun 16 2005, 05:34 AM)Bruce,... Jun 16 2005, 01:53 PM
BruceMoomaw Yup -- they've had solar panels planned for a ... Jun 17 2005, 12:08 AM
BruceMoomaw QUOTE (Analyst @ Jun 16 2005, 12:34 PM)Bruce,... Jun 17 2005, 12:21 AM
BruceMoomaw You'll notice that I HAVE backtracked from the... Jun 17 2005, 12:25 AM
vjkane2000 QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Jun 16 2005, 05:25 PM)Yo... Jun 17 2005, 02:55 AM
JRehling QUOTE (vjkane2000 @ Jun 16 2005, 07:55 PM)The... Jun 17 2005, 04:19 PM
vjkane2000 QUOTE (JRehling @ Jun 17 2005, 09:19 AM)A dif... Jun 17 2005, 05:23 PM
BruceMoomaw It's a possibility -- but I suspect you're... Jun 17 2005, 07:17 AM
gpurcell QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Jun 17 2005, 07:17 AM)In... Jun 17 2005, 07:39 PM
edstrick You really *do* want a very high power telescopic ... Jun 17 2005, 07:22 AM
BruceMoomaw Turns out I misread that white paper -- Europa Orb... Jun 17 2005, 07:22 AM
vjkane2000 Cost is, of course, a major issue for any Jupiter ... Jun 17 2005, 02:00 PM
BruceMoomaw Damned if I know, especially with this president -... Jun 19 2005, 10:29 PM
Bob Shaw Bruce:
Are you talking about the Hubble II comple... Jun 19 2005, 10:47 PM
BruceMoomaw As for Van Kane's comments on the "Io Obs... Jun 19 2005, 10:58 PM
JRehling
Imagine the way Halley's Comet's orbi... Jun 20 2005, 01:25 AM
BruceMoomaw "Are you talking about the Hubble II complete... Jun 19 2005, 11:54 PM
JRehling QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Jun 19 2005, 07:55 PM)Ah... Jun 20 2005, 08:55 PM
gpurcell I've always thought that the best deorbit miss... Jun 20 2005, 03:09 PM
BruceMoomaw Actually, there are a hell of a lot of things they... Jun 21 2005, 12:31 PM
JRehling QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Jun 21 2005, 05:31 AM)Ac... Jun 21 2005, 03:31 PM
vjkane2000 QUOTE (JRehling @ Jun 21 2005, 08:31 AM)Indee... Jun 22 2005, 09:10 AM
BruceMoomaw Well, keep in mind that Cassini's 45 close fly... Jun 22 2005, 10:52 PM
BruceMoomaw The presentations from the June OPAG meeting are n... Jun 29 2005, 06:02 PM
imran Thanks for the links, Bruce. I am surprised too t... Jun 29 2005, 08:37 PM
BruceMoomaw This hardly means that they're not considering... Jun 29 2005, 10:28 PM
BruceMoomaw And, for one recent JPL study of a Titan aerobot m... Jun 29 2005, 10:31 PM
JRehling QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Jun 29 2005, 03:31 PM)An... Jun 30 2005, 05:20 PM
BruceMoomaw Actually, we DO need more surface observation poin... Jun 30 2005, 06:50 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Jun 30 2005, 06:50 PM)Ac... Jun 30 2005, 06:58 PM
JRehling QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Jun 30 2005, 11:50 AM)Ac... Jun 30 2005, 07:15 PM![]() ![]() |
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